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Anyone who thinks EVs aren't the future is wrong. But anyone who thinks there's not a rightful lull in the EV market is also wrong.
All the early adopters are already onboard. Next are the people who are inclined towards EVs but need to be convinced they're ready. There aren't chargers everywhere, they're slow to charge compared to pumping gas, there isn't yet a universal plug, and battery technology needs to improve. Until these issues are addressed adoption is going to be incremental.
They're also just more expensive. And everyone is already balking at current car prices.
More expensive upfront, negating all of the benefit of lower power costs for years. And huge expense on the horizon with an uncertain timing for battery replacement that negates secondary market value at some point.
All that extra expense up front usually needs to be financed. This also cuts into the long-term benefits via interest.
Edit: ex., I went to car and driver to find a comparable ICE and BEV. The Genesis Electric G80 is $21,225 more expensive than its ICE counterpart. Offered 4.9% interest on that amount only is an extra $3k over a five year term.
This brings the [financed period] monthly BEV premium to $400/mo, in just one example. I personally don’t use anywhere near that much gas, and my break even in this case would be closer to ten years. The entry level electric Hyundai Kona is only $10K more and will get you down the road about 190 miles before needing a charge.
Exactly.
The sad thing is that for lots of people charging can wind up being more expensive than gas. Especially if you don't have the ability to charge at home.
We experienced this testing an EV on a road trip. We took it and our Prius and ended up paying over 4x more for charging than we paid for fuel for the Prius. My wife, driving the Prius, also made it to and from our destination about 1.5 hours earlier each way as I had to wait for charging each time.
We might get an EV for my daily commute, but there's no way in hell we're getting rid of that Prius for longer trips.
Yup. In the current market, EVs are for people living in single family homes in the suburbs and commute a significant distance daily or people who want to spend money on a status symbol.
Not exactly. Used EVs are already cheaper than comparable ICE vehicles, in large part because new EV sticker prices have dropped so much in the last 2 years.
If you're shopping for a car with a specific budget, you should be able to pick and choose between many different models, many of which are EVs.
I don't think people trust used EVs yet. The battery replacement is a scary looming question with them.
And if a car has an electric version and an ICE version, the electric version is much more expensive. And that's what a lot of people are seeing and noping out of. Especially when they're looking at car prices in general and feeling like they're being ripped off.
Absolutely. Not enough people know people who have experience with EVs. Toyota and Honda built their reputation over decades.And for most people, it really doesn't make a lot of sense to get an EV if they just see it as transportation.
Only if you're situation allows for making an EV a primary mode of transportation. The market for EVs is probably the best it's ever been. The percentage of people for whom an EV would make sense has never been larger, but still, most people in the US would be making a mistake to get one.
I don't want a new car full stop. Too much tech. Too many new integrated features to break. Too much spying. Not enough maintenance that can be done by the owner. If you gave me a car with less tech and a battery I'd probably be fine with it. But I have to listen to all the BS from people who work on electric cars several times a week, and I gotta tell ya, I'm not convinced to buy any new car. Not just EV's or hybrids.
Yep give me a dumb electric car.
Only way is to build your own.
I've seen some shops in LA that claim to take certain car models and turn them into evs. It's a long shot but I'm taking a look when my car dies or we need another car.
My civic will probably last another decade given how cheap the parts are and reliable the car is.
Yeah I've visited the local one but they are exorbitantly expensive. Like 6 figures. There's a lot of custom fabrication involved. And at the end of it you still have a car that lacks modern safety features.
2013 civic under 70k miles I will cling to this bitch till i die or it dies or we die
Too much tech that's so deeply integrated, little fender benders total the car. It sucks.
Might it be that the chargers are mostly less known? The few times I wanted to have a charger on the road there were ample (fast) options on my way. Discoverable through various apps. This is within Europe, no idea about other places. Europe also has CCS for fast charging so no connector issue (adapter needed on Tesla but it works).
It used to be more of a challenge 10 years ago but even then is was feasible to reach destinations quite far. Detours were sometimes needed back then.