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This is why I have to unsubscribe from "solarpunk" spaces. All the bleeding carnists not understanding the horror and damage of animal industry.
Bye!
They're posting content.
Why don't you post some stuff that shows a better way to do it so you can educate them? Leaving doesn't help anyone learn.
Having to teach adults that enslaving and slaughtering animals isn’t a good thing gets very, very tiring after a very short time considering the immediate horror of the situation and the unending stubbornness of pissbaby carnists
But I'm not saying that. I'm saying find examples of awesome systems to share as content. Animal agriculture is the worst but if you aren't sharing examples of working systems then you can't be the change we want to see.
No one wants pissing matches back and forth, let your content do the talking.
Please stop with your odd content obsession. I’m only addressing your comment you shared with us. I have no interest in a protracted period of finding vegan solarpunk “content”. The issue is obvious and the solution is obvious and I put a lot of energy into the cause but on a different platform than this. There’s no pissing contest. I’m rightfully angry.
Again, that's not what was suggested but you do you. This is a new platform finding its feet, all of us here are trying to work out what will work together.
Ok sure but again, absolutely minuscule backroom topic compared to the enduring struggle for animal rights. I can comment about things I feel strongly about and I will. You’re just being quite strange to be honest. Lemmy has nothing to do with my own thoughts
If you don't get it, you don't get it. That's fine.
I'm coming from a different perspective and you're coming from your one. Mine is inclusive, yours is justice.
I was asking the people passionate about ethical system to replace the content from the literal bot with their own so it was an education experience and then we don't need the lesser suited content from the bot. Has there been an uptick in content? I don't think anyone who argued has posted anything yet which is where I was coming from. They can argue but when it comes down to making some change through a bit of work...crickets. Sometimes I feel that the argument for them is the point.
You're focusing your argument on the fact that a person might keep their own animals. I don't give a fuck about whether they do or not. I just like having a quick scroll with diverse content and I just pass by the stuff I'm not interested in. I don't harp on the 15% I don't like. I don't care that it's there even if I hate it. I'm probably much older than you which might explain the difference in care factors.
Bruh, why are you being so negative? Don't you have anything better to do than criticise other people's speech? Why don't you provide a better example instead of just complaining?
That's your opinion. I dont feel like I'm being negative, it would be nicer if you didn't assume things about me by a misconstrued couple of sentences. I also don't believe I'm bring critical, nor intending to be, I'm trying to find a middle ground where we can improve the solarpunk instance through the delivery of superior content that suits our ethical ecological leanings. We are discussing how we might possibly do that.
Going through your post history I can see you are quite argumentative at times so I'm not sure we will find some common ground. I'm sorry I've angered you.
In regards to content, I have literally posted hundreds of things to Lemmy, it's been a full time job for the past month. Can't you help pick up the slack? It's a community after all.
Not everyone who comes to solarpunk is coming to look at glorification of slavery. A lot of people would be turned away by crass and vulgar imagery such as this. I'll be staying, to remind people of the fact that we do not need to tolerate such horrific content.
How do you propose making any effective change to the world around you when you are so utterly divorced from it?
What world? Consensus reality? The model of the world invented by enlightenment scholars and exported across the world through the processes of colonisation and genocide? I am glad to be divorced from consensus reality. If you say that my beliefs divorce me from the world, then I praise your wisdom in understanding that the world is a belief, and I thank you for the compliment. I would be very ashamed to find myself a believer in the world.
That’s a yikes from me, dawg. Good luck in your journey to not being this type of person.
Sure that guys comment there was odd but how is his first comment off at all? Animal enslavement and slaughter is horrific. Its unnecessary. It’s the most pointed brutal tip of humanity’s ego and destruction. I’ve seen slaughterhouse workers in my hometown in Ireland turn to every drug under the sun to deal with the PTSD from the industry. It destroys everything it touches by design. I hope in your lifetime you’ll see the world turn against it and join us
And nothing changes if you complain and whine. Like I just said in my other comment, bring some content in and illustrate ethical systems, drown out the other shit you don't want to see.
Bold move using a misogynist slur on Solarpunk
Fixed.
Now do you want to address the point of my reply or is this how you go about your internet discourse only?
Okay, yes, I would like to address the "meat", pun intended, of your reply.
You spent your entire reply complaining about how complaining is bad. If you don't like complaining, stop complaining. You said to offer alternatives, fine. Show us a top level reply to this post that dismantles its carnist ideology and doesn't complain. I'd like to see some productive behaviour out of you.
I dont understand. I can't see complaining. I really don't know what you are talking about.
I've posted a Syntropic system (no animal ag) to another community, I've educated on other ecological systems in use, I've posted organic techniques in regeneration, I've posted 300 environmental news stories to help educate about the climate crisis and biodiversity loss across a number of communities. I don't know what else I can do.
You seem quite passionate. What do you have in ethical horticultural systems that I could read about?
Edit: I'll just add this in to counter the "carnist" nature of the OP. This was posted by "Sam BOT" who is the OP of this post, to this community 2 days ago, showing a similar solar system growing crops instead: https://lemmy.world/post/2024954
Just wanted to say thanks, I've read a lot of your posts and appreciated them.
My cards on the table, I'm absolutely against letting perfect be the enemy of good. I'm sick of people bickering over the right way to fix things rather than just doing something, even something small.
There's a very twitteresque theme of endless nitpicking that I imagine is intended to showcase the speaker's exceptional values that I have been glad to find mostly absent from this instance (it's part of why I bounced hard off r/solarpunk back when. Nothing anyone did or shared was ever good enough or even a step in the right direction, nothing but utter perfection was sufficient for some of the members over there. There's always room to strive for improvement but it's exhausting reading about how nothing is ever good enough, so much so that it's also a favorite tactic of conservatives trying to kill any conversation about change. It turned conversations about replanting land and solar initiatives as bleak and nihilist as the endless stream of bad news around climate change. They could always find something; any effort at improvement was secretly pointless or outright bad.
Hope is supposed to be what sets solarpunk apart.
I think it's important to remember that this instance will be many people's first exposure to the genre/movement, and that lots of people are coming to this space from different places. Trying to kick them out or shout them down because they haven't reached the correct level of advanced veganism is going to cost us allies who might have gotten there eventually (or who might improve the world even if they don't). I think people can do good while not doing everything perfectly and that at this point, we should encourage any progress we can get.
I wish them luck in finding or making a place where they won't have to see this kind of thing. I think tailoring the instance to meet their demands (and they're always only ever demands) won't make the place more effective.
And if I've been unfair, well, I probably have. These complaints are bubbling up from far more interactions than with the folks in just this post, they just hit a very familiar theme.
You've worded it well and, personally, agree strongly with your points. You've also used one of my favourite quotes, "perfect/good", so I instantly like you.
I don't believe I'm entirely suited to this community because I don't believe in the hope of fixing everything that is broken. But I do like everyone here because, in my eyes, they're trying to do something about it. The perfect is the enemy but we can strive towards the perfect by discussion, experimentation, and feedback.
"However, I continue to try and I continue, indefatigably, to reach out. There’s no way I can single-handedly save the world or, perhaps, even make a perceptible difference - but how ashamed I would be to let a day pass without making one more effort." - Isaac Asimov
Sorry I’ve replied to another comment of yours but I’d just like to ask you why you aren’t vegan (which you presumably aren’t). Again sorry I’m badgering you a bit but you interest me
Because my work requires leather boots and leather gloves.
I'm mostly vegetarian but will eat invasive deer kill when provided, will eat meat off other people's plates if they are going to chuck it (farmed meat, whatever it is out of respect for animal). I also live on a working community and there is a dairy of 2 cows and I have drunk milk and eaten cheese (despise dairies though). There is also goats and cows around, and I have 2 male ducks that we keep that were going to be killed. Kids have pet rats.
While I wear leather, I can't cross that line. Plus everything else means I'm not a vegan. Can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good though. If someone paid me in meat from an animal they slaughtered (I've been paid in kept beeswax before which is not vegan), I wouldn't say no. Milk from the small dairy in a coffee, wouldn't say no. Free food, probably wouldn't say no.
Hit me up in a DM/PM next time.
Just a quick note: "Sam BOT" is a Reddit repost bot that mirrors highly upvoted external links from the /r/solarpunk subreddit.
Yeah, I know. I'm not the one arguing the content!
Wait. Is this a thing? Solarpunk is pro animal agriculture and meat? I’m naive to the movement/philosophy/genre, but still I’d find that surprising.
As for the video, it’s about farming practices today adopting solar. Pretty hard to avoid the reality of animal agriculture in that context.
No, I don't think solarpunk is. I think extreme reactions to things people don't like are more the norm.
It's content more suited to farming but it's content. Yeah, we need discussions about what content is suitable but quitting as soon as you see something you don't like isn't the discussion that needs to be had.
It's also worth pointing out that herding/grazing animals play an important role in the ecosystem and soil restoration. They can and should be incorporated in solarpunk whether or not they are consumed. Our best indicator of when humans arrived at a location is when the local megafauna died off.
It's also kinda surprising to me that people are assuming that this would be for mean animals specifically. I didn't watch the video but it seems to me there is not reason this couldnt be for non-animal-harming animal agriculture, things like dairy cows, sheep, llamas, goats, etc. Even horses for riding or smthn. As I understand it solarpunk is cool with that, especially of it's living with the animals for mutual benefit.
Considering SolarPunk is high tech, it’d be lab grown artificial meat and robotic agriculture if anything.
Solarpunk isn't carnist. And this article isn't solarpunk.
Bye! Don't forget to close the door on your way out.
With ya on this one. Really wish people would stop with their wierd insistence on putting solar panels in places should be eradicated. Don't put solar panels on parking lots and cattle ranches. Get rid of parking lots and cattle ranches.