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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you read the article it adds... "with all weapons the US is willing to let friends use in an abundance that allows Ukraine to win and not just drag the war on".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I thought they did? That's what opened the door for this latest adventure into Mordor.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

They still aren't using longest range HIMARS etc missiles. They still are restricted to targets within the limited range of border firing with the current allowed missiles, and so on... Also what IS provided is done in insufficient batches often months later than they should have arrived.

;tldr NATO has required UA to fight with one hand behind its back this whole time because they are worried putting a metaphorical gun in the second hand would escalate ru to full blown hostilities with them too and in reality a strong, no BS, unrestricted support with a 'we dare you to bitch about it' stance years ago would have prevented this whole debacle from even beginning before Crimea was invaded.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

F35s would overwhelm Ukrainian logistics capacity also Ukrainians don't have many good things to say about the Abrams in practice, from what I gather mostly weight as well as lack of reactive armour package and general sturdiness of the turret. Leo2s have similar issues: A T74 weighs just over 40 tons, that's the kind of weight Ukrainian infrastructure is made for (think random bridges in the countryside and lots of mud), Leo 2A5 55t, 2A6 62t, 2A7V 66.5t, M1A2 SEPv3 66.8t.

Send F16s and Bradleys instead. Send those Abrams to Greece they have about 500 Leopard 1s Ukraine can use and already has infrastructure for. Same weight class as the T74.

EDIT: Oh, before I forget: Send any Leo1 chassis you can find anywhere. Rheinmetall is working on Frankensteining new Skyranger turrets onto old Leo1 chassis which then will essentially be Gepard 2s -- same chassis, even more capable turret. Those kinds of systems are about the only thing that can reliably take down drones in a cost-effective manner. Also send over three Patriot batteries or five or ten.