cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550
(posting to both communities)
A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community's rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing 'misinformation', and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of "promoting harmfull actions against pets".
As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn't already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn't) it most certainly isn't now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it.
I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don't condone them whatsoever.
Cats are obligate carnivores. If they don't eat meat, they will get sick and die. This doesn't apply to dogs.
Veganism is valid, but it does conflict with some pet ownership.
If cats do not consume taurine they will die. This does not mean they need meat.
Yes, veganism sees "pets" as companion animals.
They aren't your companions, you are exploiting them for companionship. These meat eating pets can't consent to a vegan diet, they are also not ethically required by their choice to not engage in the meat system.
That's your choice, you are forcing that choice on an animal that isn't getting anything from you they wouldn't get with a non-vegan pet owner, your love isn't special.
You could ethically choose to keep any number of naturally vegan animals. You selfishly choose to keep a cat or a dog cause you like them more.
Shit is messed up in my opinion and you buried the lead with your post. I'm glad other people were around to give context to this.
There's still an abundance of cats that need adopting that will likely be killed if they can't get a permanent home. I kinda agree it's best as a vegan to specifically choose adopting an animal that can also live happily on a vegan diet.
However, if the choice is between adopting a cat and not adopting at all, wouldn't the greater good still be adopting, especially if you choose a cat that might typically have a hard time finding fosters? (Cats with injuries, or special needs, or black cats, for example.)
That's not the greater good, that's participating in the system that exists to support the pet industry at large. Vegans generally understand how these associations work since they track it so closely with the meat industry and it's ancillaries.
If you want to argue harm reduction and greater good, there are literally millions of feral cats that feed on billions of birds a year and garbage. Spend your time trapping feral cats and getting them spayed or neutered, it takes a while but the only way to reduce the incredibly huge population of feral cats we have is to maintain their colonies but reduce their ability to reproduce.
That way new, un-spayed or un-neutered cats won't move into the area where there's already food resources (which happens with trap and release or worse options). Reducing the population of feral cats humanely is a net positive for the animals and society.
Adopting a cat from a shelter, no matter the state of that cat, isn't a greater good. It's a personal choice you made, it a selfish decision wrapped in a pretty box.
A vegan would destroy another invasive animal that is wiping out the local ecology in a heartbeat if that was the only "practicable and practical" option.
Strictly adhering to veganism correctly sees companionship animals as animal exploitation. Pets are not vegan.