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i would say of the late 20th century, the 21st century is probably china, or perhaps russia. Considering they had an "ethnic cleansing" of their government. They seem like a pretty good bet.
China?? They haven’t invaded a country since 60 years ago. usa have invaded the whole Middle East during this century and currently fighting a proxy war in Europe
china doesnt need to invade another country to be all authoritarian over them. For one they have their own population to do that with. And secondly, they seem to be focusing much more on getting other countries to hold chinese debt, presumably in an effort to make them default such that they can cut really sleazy deals with them. Also china allies with north korea and russia, they have no need to directly invade a nation.
Also the proxy war in europe isn't a bad thing, that's a good thing, it's effectively a proxy war between europe, the US, and russia. Who broke their own treaty with ukraine. And is also doing warcrimes all over ukraine, unlike ukraine.
China is ruled by a communist (far LEFT ideology) party doing socialist (LEFT) politics whereas fascism is a far RIGHT wing ideology, so they’re basically opposite ideologies.
Nazism (Germany) fascism (Italy) were far right wing ideologies, they basically killed communists (left ideology) for fun
There’re right authoritarian regimes and left authoritarian regimes. There also are fake/hidden “democracies” where their only two political parties are both of them controlled by the SAME entity in the background
ok so, i think people confuse the idea of communism, with the concept of lefty communism. There are two types of communism. True blue communism, early soviet union for example. And then what i like to refer to as "pseudo communism" later soviet union, and most other communist states, including china. Most people advocate for a more "true blue communism" which is a different thing.
secondly, most people like to compare between capitalism, and communism, with socialism being somewhere in the middle, where as i think it's much more accurate to summarize it separately. You have capitalism which is a big player, socialism (communism doesnt count), and then you have authoritarianism. Generally, as a state you exist somewhere in this triangle of economic ideals. You either have a relatively free economy, under capitalism, a collectively owned economy under socialism, and then a centrally owned and planned economy under authoritarianism.
The problem here is that china is more of an authoritarian capitalist state, than it is communist. It doesn't subscribe to any of the main tenant of communism as is blatantly evidenced by their society. However it does have more authoritarian polices, as evidenced socially and economically.
German nazism was actually done under the socialist party, the funny left leaning one. Fascism itself is apolitical, it doesn't care what side of the spectrum you're on, for example stalin might be considering a left leaning fascist. Generally fascism uphold right wing ideals as they tend to be the most simplistic, but that's more of a secondary force.