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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I found this to be a decent enough primer: https://medium.com/@bobbyarlan/a-case-study-in-racist-anti-chinese-sentiment-fuelled-by-american-bots-and-western-propaganda-f0a69978d568

A decent TLDR: The article argues that anti-Chinese propaganda spread by the U.S. and Western media is fueling racist sentiment. Claims of mass detention of Uyghurs are based on flawed studies and sources like Adrian Zenz, a far-right Christian fundamentalist. Atrocity propaganda is a common tactic used by the U.S. to justify wars. The U.S. is threatened by China's economic rise and technological progress, so it is trying to portray China negatively and prepare public opinion for a potential conflict. However, most of the world sees China positively and as an economic opportunity, making a new Cold War against China unlikely to succeed

In short, a lot of information about China that has come out of Western news media has been proven to be based on known biased sources, known anit-China rhetoric, and/or outright lies. It's difficult to prove/disprove of any information specifically, that takes time and reporting, but a lot of people see the anti-China pattern in BBC reporting, and tend to dismiss it because of known history.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think this flies a bit too far in the other direction. China is totalitarian. It is not a democracy. It is also increasingly antagonizing nations abroad. I think it is valid to consider it a threat if you are any other nation, period.

Edit: Kinda like Russia

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

How many seats are in the highest legislative body?

What rights and responsibilities do autonomous regions within China have?

What is the most distributed government legislative committee type and what is their role in the government?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So... No, it's not like Russia at all. But that nuance is too long for me to explain right now. Short answer is that Russia is capitalist, and China is 50/50 capitalist/socialist, depending on definitions, and yeah a lot of nuance.

But China is run by the people, their authoritarian politics keeps their billionaires and induatry in check. Their local politics is a negotiation with the national politics.

And... How exactly is China antagonizing nations abroad? Because a lot of countries are choosing to work with China because they AREN'T antagonizing them as much as America and Europe. So... The reality is the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, if you haven't been there or don't know anyone from there you could pretend they are a democracy, but they are authoritarian like Russia is authoritarian. Long term they will seek a wider swath to be authoritarian over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

And the argument from ignorance continues.

All I have to say is read more and be online less.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan, a nation and country, is antagonized by China regularly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Taiwan is its own nation, they should really specify that in their constitution instead of claiming to be the rightful government of all of China and Mongolia.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That still makes it a nation... That claims to be the rightful government. These are not mutually exclusive haha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That claim is mutually exclusive with Taiwan being "its own nation" distinct from China. It is definitionally its own government, but it claims to be a superset of the nation of China (because of also claiming Mongolia and some smaller territories). Nations are a social construct based on historical group identities, so the PRC is the same nation as the ROC was back when the ROC controlled the mainland. The ROC claims to still be that nation (plus Mongolia) which the PRC currently administers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Or you know, you could just listen to someone who was in an internment camp:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

(Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or the fact we literally have drone and camera footage of mass arrests. I'm not one to view Vice these days, but one of their reporters went there and saw some rather suggestive situations as well.

After Trump was so nice (dumb) enough to showcase just how clear US satellite photos are these days, one has to question why some here are so quick to cry in China's defense. Especially after the very public take over of Hong Kong, you think an ethnic cleanse is out of the question?

I'm sure some pro-Chinese twit will come rushing in with some whataboutism or a crack on US history, as if that excuses things.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Our you could just listen to someone from Kuwait who saw Iraqi invaders remove babies from incubators:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Oh wait, they made that shit up as a pretext for furthering US foreign interests.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also your summary sounds like ChatGPT

Nah they have a typo ("anit-China") in their summary I think they're fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It was a neutral way to summarize a long article.

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