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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi

Yeah, they kind of screwed the pooch when they brought that up. Sort of negates the rest of their argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did you see it in theaters when it came out?

I think we're spoiled with all the cgi enabled scifi now, it didn't hold as well as the ot (and the st is rancid garbage) but the prequels were epochal at the time, mass market, high budget scifi, alongside indepdence day they changed everything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I did. And the CG is not my problem with that movie. The plot and the characters and the dialogue are my problem with that movie. If a movie is good but the effects aren't, I'm fine with it. I don't generally watch movies just because they look cool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Compare the writing of the PT with the writing of most generic scifi in the 90s, it's not worse.

We didn't have the well-written scifi till the 2000s really, in the middle we had stuff like the matrix sequels. We had some Phillip K. Dick in the 80s and 90s too.

You're comparing everything to the OT, yeah that was an epic classic, but also unprecedented (literally invented the blockbuster scifi genre), and there wasn't really anything close to their level afterwards, which is why TPM was such a huge event in 99.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Absolute nonsense. I can name tons of better-written science fiction films from the 1990s:

Dark City, The Matrix, Contact, Starship Troopers, Galaxy Quest, 12 Monkeys, Gattaca, Tremors, The Iron Giant, Cube, both Star Trek VI and Star Trek: First Contact. I can list more.

And the writing in the original trilogy isn't exactly amazing either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Contact, Starship Troopers,

written in the 1960s IIRC.

Gattaca

Seems partly inspired by Brave New World in the era of genetic sequencing.

Those were incredible Treks though (TUC is my favorite by far). Still, Trek wasn't really mainstream at this point, definitely not a blockbuster, even though First Contact probably broke the threshold.

I honestly haven't seen Dark City yet, never got around to it. The Matrix was part of the change and came out the same year, my point was we'd had a major drought till then. I'm arguing we went from a time of dearth to a time of plenty, and then walked face first into the MCU which recently imploded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

You're being ridiculous. The novels were written then.

Do you think they just put the novels into a screenplay machine and it came out the other end with a movie script?

Or do you think every movie adaptation of a novel is a well-written movie?

Anyway, since that's not enough for you, I'll keep going with well-written science fiction films of the 90s with much better writing than any Star Wars film George Lucas ever made:

Back to the Future III

Darkman

Edward Scissorhands

Total Recall

The Rocketeer

Terminator 2

Jurassic Park

The City of Lost Children

Six-String Samurai

The Handmaid's Tale

Tank Girl

The Fifth Element

Primer

The Truman Show

Bicentennial Man

Predator 2

Delicatessen

Gremlins 2: The New Batch

Men in Black

I'd even put Stargate above The Phantom Menace in terms of writing. Also, not one of those movies had a long and pointless sci-fi version of a NASCAR race in the middle of it.