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The systemd debate is basically dead. There are very few against it, but many accept it by now. Just avoid phoronix forum and some other places.
"Just avoid places that sysadmins and security guys frequent and get your opinions on systemd from memes and people running arch on home machine". Great plan.
Systemd is absolute and utter shit, especially from security perspective.
Noone was asking security guys but package maintainers.
My favorite systemd thing is booting up a box with 6 NICs where only 1 was configured during the initial setup. Second favorite is betting on whether it will hang on reboot/shutdown.
Great tool, 10/10.
My favorite was when the behavior of a USB drive in
/etc/fstabwent from "hmm it's not plugged in at boot, I'll let the user know" to "not plugged in? Abort! Abort! We can't boot!"This change over previous init behavior was especially fun on headless machines...
You could just use systemd mounts like a normal person. Fstab is for critical partitions
Hush everyone, don't tell this guy about
noauto, it'll burst his bubbleI've never seen it used in the wild
Jesus, I mount everything manually from noauto, except root.
If nfs isn't available, I don't want my system to hang, typing mount takes 2 seconds.
Wouldn't your NFS not mount in that case? Wouldn't you want it to retry periodically? Also, what happens to your service when NFS isn't available?
Sounds like systemd mounts are better in this case (unless the device is non critical)
I mount it manually when I'm sure everything is up.
The issue is, I use this workstation to bring up the rest of my network and servers if they're down, can't have a hard dependency on nfs if it's job is to bring up nfs.
This happened to me when Debian switched from SysV to systemd. I am not the only person who experienced this (e.g., https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=147478 ).
This is not to say the systemd behavior is wrong, but it essentially changed the behavior of
fstab. Whether this is Debian's fault, Arch's fault (per the above link), systemd's fault, or my fault is a fair question. But this committed that most egregious of sins per our Lord and Savior Torvaldsit broke my userspace.
That was a really long time ago. (2015) I don't understand why you are holding a grudge for almost 10 years. Most people have never used a system without systemd.