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    [–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    "Just avoid places that sysadmins and security guys frequent and get your opinions on systemd from memes and people running arch on home machine". Great plan.

    Systemd is absolute and utter shit, especially from security perspective.

    Noone was asking security guys but package maintainers.

    My favorite systemd thing is booting up a box with 6 NICs where only 1 was configured during the initial setup. Second favorite is betting on whether it will hang on reboot/shutdown.

    Great tool, 10/10.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    My favorite was when the behavior of a USB drive in /etc/fstab went from "hmm it's not plugged in at boot, I'll let the user know" to "not plugged in? Abort! Abort! We can't boot!"

    This change over previous init behavior was especially fun on headless machines...

    [–] possiblylinux127 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    You could just use systemd mounts like a normal person. Fstab is for critical partitions

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    This happened to me when Debian switched from SysV to systemd. I am not the only person who experienced this (e.g., https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=147478 ).

    This is not to say the systemd behavior is wrong, but it essentially changed the behavior of fstab. Whether this is Debian's fault, Arch's fault (per the above link), systemd's fault, or my fault is a fair question. But this committed that most egregious of sins per our Lord and Savior Torvalds


    it broke my userspace.

    [–] possiblylinux127 -3 points 2 months ago

    That was a really long time ago. (2015) I don't understand why you are holding a grudge for almost 10 years. Most people have never used a system without systemd.

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