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Always here means since the 90s or so. I should’ve probably clarified that.

Yeah ok, if you let history start where it's convenient for you I can imagine you coming to those conclusions

That aside, you seem to have issues with Palestinians’ opposition to the creation of an Apartheid state where they’re meant to be second class citizens (because let’s face it, Israel is not and was never going to be a proper democracy).

If you think the Arab nationalists wanted a proper secular democracy, that's delusional. They wanted a continuation of what they knew and what happened in the rest of the region: an Arab state where muslims would remain the first class citizens. (And it's a bit of a cliché, but which of its surrounding Arab neighbours became 'a proper democracy'?)

Why are you treating Israel’s convenience as being more important than Palestinian lives? This attitude is why the conflict is still going.

If you call not being conquered and genocided 'a convenience' I don't know how to answer this...

If Israel can’t exist without committing slow burn genocide (or just regular genocide since October 7), then why should it?

They can exist with occupying the WB and GH. The ethnic cleansing that you want to call genocide is something the ultrazionists always craved, and they gained democratic approval partly because of the promise of neverending violence by the other side. There are plenty of countries that exist or expanded on the premise of ethnic cleansing or settlement - just look at recent events in Nagorno-Kharabach or, very comparable to Palestine, the annexation of the Western Sahara territories. Is it good? No. But it's part of political and human reality and it's always a question of what's going to cause the least suffering.

Uh… That is a massive misinterpretation of history. Israel withdrew and, at the same time, started what would go on to become the Gaza blockade.

Uh... No that's exactly what happened and the 'blockade' was not a blockade but a filter to prevent weapons going in that would be used to attack Israel. October 7 even proved that 'the Gaza blockade' was too lenient. Hamas couldn't help themselves smuggling in weapons, using building materials to build a tunnel network, and attacking Israel to take hostages when they found themselves armed enough... I know you don't want to think about the before times but before the 1990's, people could mostly travel freely between Gaza City and Tel Aviv.

Man, just face reality. Have you seen how Gaza looks like now? It’s been orders of magnitude worse since October 7, but everything-the starvation, the poor sanitation, the blatantly disregard of civilian lives, if not outright murderous intent. This has been daily life in Gaza for 20 years. Like hell they left them to themselves.

No it hasn't. You can find plenty of video accounts of life in Gaza pre-Oct 7. Really, I implore you to look it up because you sound like you've only really started caring about the situation for a year or so. Gaza looks like it does now because a) Hamas used their freedom Gaza to build up to conduct a major terrorist attack and b) because it's clear to Israel that this will just happen again and again, and sooner again, if they keep their gloves on.

Israel as an entity is opposed to peace as a concept, as are all settler colonies. If you can’t accept the fact that Israel is a settler colony not unlike 19th century America and pre-independence Ireland, then this conversation is over

Yeah sure man. I love how you're reducing the US to '19th century America', because it's a great example. I'm betting 5 shots on you living in the US, sitting right on the graves of the genocided natives, trying to find reasons why one religious cult should rule over the other in Palestine because that will shift the guilt