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"Just vote Dems one more election"
"Just one more lane"
Just like more lanes, more dems don't fix the underlying problem.
It doesn't, but for me anyway, the implications of another Trump presidency or Republicans controlling both houses are terrifying.
People can live with some traffic or construction woes as we struggle for a better transportation system.
There are real differences between Republican and Democrat control that will have serious impacts on healthcare, climate change, and the courts, on top of the awful shit that both parties do.
I hate that I'm voting the way I am because I'm more scared of one candidate than the other, but each year is crucial for climate change, and 4 years of a gutted EPA is reeeeeeaaaaallllly bad.
And the Dems will not save us. They will not do what is necessary, ever, because they are funded by similar to even the same groups.
If the Dems will not and cannot save us, if we have a gaping bullet wound and all they can offer is a wet band-aid, then we must find another solution.
Sure, they're not some savior, but they won't gut the EPA, the might not replace Laila Khan, they won't continue to fill the courts with extremely right-wing judges which will take decades to overcome, they might be able to replace Chevron deference with legislation, and they might be able to put some protections into place for abortion access and healthcare for trans people.
Why not?
Already do
Why?
They haven't, though.
The Dems are not good people in a hard place, they're servants of Capital, same as the GOP.
Don't know how it's not obvious that they won't gut the EPA. The Biden administration added a ton of funding to the EPA for climate action. It's a priority for them.
Come on man, if you can't tell the difference between judges appointed under Democrats vs those under Republicans, I don't know how to show you. Looking at the supreme court voting record is a pretty clear sign there. John Oliver just did a piece on this last night that is worth checking out.
There are already bills that are getting support from lots of Democrats in the House and Senate to provide similar protections that Chevron deference gave. I say "might" because of course this is only going to happen with strong Democrat control of both the House and the Senate.
Similar to Chevron deference, bills have been brought forward that have broad support among Democrats for trans healthcare and abortion access.
Democrats, like you said, are not saviors. They at-best react to Republicans and Republican-appointed judges doing evil shit when they are in power, or providing "solutions" that barely scratch the surface of the work/funding needed. Democrats have not had the political power to push these bills through since the Republicans did the evil shit they are reacting to. It's pretty disingenuous to blame them for these bills not passing in the system we have.
Follow the money. The Dems have failed miserably at any legitimate climate movement.
I'm aware that Republicans and Democrats are right-wing.
Of course, it's Election time, after all. Do you really think any measures introduced by Dems are in any way adequate?
Where are they?
I blame them for being the other half of the uniparty of the genocidal US Empire. The Dems have plenty of political power, their game is to act like saviors that just need your votes to save you this time, every time, as the US Empire sundowns.
I do. I follow the $23,000,000 the EPA just gave to my department to reduce methane emissions in my state from funding that the Biden administration made happen.
Follow the funding, minor pocket lint from the US State Department is cheap compared to what needs to be done.
Our voting system is first past the post which means there are only two political parties, Republican or Democrat. If you happen to like the Republican or Democrat congratulations you get to actually vote for someone. For the rest of us our only option is voting against someone. If you hate the Republican more vote Democrat. If you hate the Democrat more vote Republican. If you don't actually care whether the Democrat or Republican wins you can abstain by either staying home or voting 3rd party, the outcome is identical either way.
If you don't like this there is exactly one solution and that's supporting efforts to get rid of first past the post voting, anything else is useless.
I'll take the wet bandaid over the guy reloading to finish the job thank you very much.
Wrong.
You'd also be a genocidal demon.
Yep, hence why it's important to vote for Greens or PSL.
Neither are acceptable for Humanity.
Liberals will work themselves into logical fallacies in order to justify their own votes for genocidal regimes.
I agree, we need a revolution. Electoralism is useless.
And you'll be dead in the same amount of time.
Gotcha so you're abstaining this election. That's fine and your choice not to vote, but it also means you don't get to complain if Trump wins (or Harris for that matter).
As long as we have first past the post, we will never have a 3rd party candidate win.
If you honestly believe Harris would do as much damage to this country as Trump would, you're either one of the dumbest people I've ever met and there's nothing more to say, or you just woke up from a coma that started in 2016 and haven't caught up on anything that happened since then.
I absolutely get to complain if either of those genocidal monsters win, I will be voting but not for either of them.
With liberals like you? Sadly, you might be right.
And the entire Global South that the US razes for profits, the US is the world's largest Empire.
Neither, I'm fully aware of what awful monsters both Harris and Trump are.
Meanwhile the other option is to blow up all the roads with zero plans on what or how to replace them.
There are plans 👍
Oh? You got a concept?
Not just a concept, there are books and examples of Socialism around the world.
So what's your suggestion?
Their suggestion, as the Russian trolls endorse, is to vote for anyone except Harris.
Are the Russian Trolls in the room with us?
Yes, just as Muslim activist groups and Palestinians have been suggesting, I will be voting for PSL.
You're also ignoring the bit where I said revolution is necessary.
If you don't like the FPTP voting, do something about that. If you don't like voting for the lesser of two evils, do something about it besides waiting until that is the only choice.
Do with the facts what you will, but know that the messaging of "the Russian trolls" is to do anything possible to diminish support for Harris either directly or indirectly. Like it or not, you are "on message" with those who would choose to see Trump win.
The "lesser evils" are the Greens and PSL, neither is perfect but both are miles ahead of the current genocidal regime and the other genocidal party. Genocide is a red line. As well as that, I advocate for joining Leftist parties like PSL and FRSO, organizing outside the electoral system.
They are both unacceptable evil, period. They both support genocide, and they both are gearing up for WW3 with the PRC, and neither is doing what needs to be done for Climate Change. The only peaceful method of saving humanity is pushing repeatedly for the 1% chance of a third party winning, otherwise revolution is necessary anyways.
Fucking lmao. No, she isn't, she's just a more likeable face of Empire.
No it isn't, Harris' dedication to genocide, Imperialism, and failure to meaningfully manage climate change is helping Trump. Your messaging is helping genocide and Imperialism.
Do with the facts what you will, but know that the messaging of the US State Department is to do anything possible to diminish support for anyone other than Harris and Trump either directly or indirectly. Like it or not, you are "on message" with those who would choose to see genocide, Imperialism, climate catastrophe, and World War 3.
Don't be obtuse. Either the Democrat or the Republican is going to win. Those are the only two you get to choose from at the moment. You have to start long before the general election if you want to change that reality.
Then don't vote at all or vote third party, but know that by doing so you've supported Trump. You will be personally responsible for Trump winning. Sleep tight.
Don't bother replying if you are just going to continue parroting the Russian propaganda.
I have started long before, as have other Leftists. Liberals will fight to the death to defend the status quo, to the point of supporting genocide and imperialism.
I'll sleep tight knowing I did what Muslim-Americans and Palestinians advocated for me to do, refuse to side with genocide and imperialism. Harris will be personally responsible for campaigning on genocide and imperialism, and World War 3, and refusing to address climate change. You will be personally responsible for her campaigning on that platform instead of trying to force her hand.
Ah, yes, the genocide of Palestinians is "Russian Propaganda." Hope you can turn yourself around.
For the election? PSL or Greens.
To fix the mess the US is? Armed revolution.
Organize, join a political party relevant to your area.
Name a single PSL or Green candidate that is running for an office besides the presidency. Oh what's that? You can't without looking it up? Gee, doesn't sound like you're at all in tune with local politics which is the only place a third party could grow from. It sounds like you just want to whine without offering any real solutions.
Third parties can't grow from local politics, lmao. The second they posed a threat the DNC and GOP collaborate against them.
Brother, if you can't even get a sizable chunk of people to join you now you sure as fuck aren't coming out of an armed revolution on top. There's no shortcut to going where you want to go. You gotta put in the work to convince people at the ground level.
I agree, local politics isn't the way to do that. Join an org like PSL or FRSO.