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[–] [email protected] 92 points 4 days ago (161 children)

I can see criminals easily exploiting this default behavior to stop the car and steal from those inside.

Where's a Johnny cab when you need it, it knows how to deal with criminals.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Where’s a Johnny cab when you need it

Or a Delamain.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Only if you upgrade to the Excelsior package

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I doubt choosing to stick up a vehicle covered in cameras with someone who likely isn't even carrying cash is anyone's idea of a good payoff.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

idk i think plenty of people carry expensive stuff on them

what a thief could actually get for them is another matter but clearly that doesnt stop them from trying

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My car isn’t driverless, but I as the driver have less control than ever before.

It’s an EV, and it will not shift to drive or reverse if the charging cable is attached.

Great for preventing me from destroying a charger. Terrible for getting away from someone trying to mug me.

Far too much of the safety features these days assume an environment in which all harm is accidental. This comes at the cost of safety in environments where someone is trying to harm another person.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the seatbelt argument all over again. The safety features protect people in the majority of scenarios. While there may be scenarios where it does more harm than good, they are rare. You’re much safer with the safety feature.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think there is a car where the seat belt is tied to anything besides a little notification beep. Seems like a different situation if the "safety" feature dictates how the car is used.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seatbelts are legally mandated. When that was going through, some people argued against that requirement on the grounds that there edge cases where it dies more harm than good.

Just like the case here, those edge cases are vanishingly rare.

Note: my car won’t move without a seatbelt, but it’s an EV so furthers the argument that EVs are taking control from the driver.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Fair point then about the arguement around safety. For me the bigger issue is control. Cars with kill switches and conditions to use is a slippery slope. Just look at what's happened with software and media. Don't want to have to pirate my car or load custom firmware so I can use it as I want.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (14 children)

You don't complain about having to open your door or start the engine when escaping a threat.

Having to unplug a cable during a very specific, imagined threat seems like a niche problem.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Additionally: if you're at a gas station filling an ICE vehicle and you get mugged, and you panic and peel out, there's gas going everywhere, plenty of potential ignition sources etc.

The argument "I have more control and agency therefore I am quantifiably safer" can fuck alllllll the way off. Safety regulations are written in blood.

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