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... or all of Radical Islam admits the cost is too high and gives up their pointless hate.
Only Nazi's think hating genocide is pointless.
It is the Sith that speak in absolutes.
Oh yeah, cause only a little bit of genocide is fine‽‽
Don't you think that feelings of victims hating the perpetrators are completely justified?
That's not the point. Forgiveness to avoid more tragedy is.
In times of “peace”, the Israeli boot was still heavy on their neck.
If only there were peaceful ways to get help that would almost have certainly garnered a lot more sympathy than resorting to terrorism...
So, your solution is for the Palestinians to shut up and die? Nice, real peaceful
You said it, not me, but continuing to propagate violence only makes your solution the only viable one. Food for thought.
Israel has only ever responded to peaceful protests with lethal violence
When peaceful resistance is made impossible, violent revolution is inevitable
You can't expect people subjected to systematic violence and dehumanization for generations to not fight back for their own humanity and human rights
If only that was what they were fighting for.
Hasn't been made impossible, just costly. Still less costly than resorting to terrorism. What is the body count now? More or less than projected when Hamas was deciding to 10/7? Any closer to victory? Let me know when reality sinks in.
That is exactly what they are fighting for. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing. Apartheid is the reality.
Settlements
Israel does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
One or Two State Solution
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
No, it's not. Let's imagine a future world where to settle the conflict Israel agrees to withdraw to the green line, endorse a fully UN recognized and supported independent Palestinian nation, pay reparations to Palestine, aid in its rebuilding if permitted, and sign a 100 year peace treaty with all adjacent nations. Accepting this hypothetical, would Israel be safe? Why or why not?
Withdrawing to the Green Line is impossible now with the settlements dividing the West Bank into hundreds of isolated enclaves. You cannot forcibly displace the over half a million settlers.
This is exactly why multiple Israeli Historians have discussed how the realities of the Apartheid and Settlements have made any actual Two-State solution not viable. If you read any of those three links, they discuss exactly that.
Zionism, with its Settler Colonialism for an Ethnostate, is incompatible with coexistance and equality.
You're avoiding the question. Assume it is possible.
You're avoiding the reality of the situation. I don't support the existence of any Ethnostate. In a Secular Bi-National One State, yes. You're underlying assumption that all this violent resistance comes from Antisemitism instead of Anti-zionism, is wrong.
So wrong you still know it is the issue without me saying anything. Nice try though.
It's very obvious what you are trying to get at. That doesn't make it the reality.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized (see 29:01) by Zionism during its history.
No, the fact they refer to their casualties as 'martyrs' does. You can stop with the copypasta. We both know you know what is really going on.
A martyr refers to anyone who dies from the Israeli occupation. The Apartheid and Genocide is what is really going on, I'm not sure you get that. It's very clear that you don't care for sources to learn more about the conflict, to the extent that you won't even consider the works of Israelis that may contradict your beliefs
I mean I'm not sure why you only value Israeli security in this arrangement, but presumably yes they would be. At least nobody would be launching rocket attacks.
Israel shoots into crowds of peaceful protestors in Palestine and has for years.
Israeli Snipers have shot and killed on foreign journalists for years at these events.
There are, in fact, none. That's why Hamas managed to gain the Palestinian cause a lot of sympathy over the last 20 years while the PLO did absolutely fucking nothing.
They tried peaceful protests and the Israeli military opened fire on them. They went to the UN for help and Israel called it “diplomatic terrorism” and put sanctions on Palestinians. What alternatives are there?
Did the Jews forgive nazi perpetrators? Or were they still hunting them down many years after the war?
So why do you want Palestinians to forgive nazi perpetrators?
Pointless hate? These people are subject to Israeli Apartheid and acts of ethnic cleansing. Daily. What part of fighting that is pointless?
You're knowingly be disingenuous, but if not you should know that Israeli Palestinians are the exception in Israel's system of oppression. They're the number of Palestinians Israel found acceptable to be in their territory in 1948 when they were kicking everyone else out.
And they don't enjoy equal rights either.
Don’t tread on me for me, but not for thee
It's not radical to stand up for oppression and genocide. It's not pointless to hate a group of people who stolen everything from you. The fact that you would label it as such just goes to show how little you actually value human lives and their rights.