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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849

By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You've tied yourself into all kinds of intricate knots. It's simple. If you convince all the people who care about Gaza not to vote, things get worse for Gaza.

I have not. Things will not get worse for Gaza under Trump or Harris, they are fully aligned. Pretending it's good for Palestinians to be murdered because the bombs are sent by a Dem is monstrous.

Plus, I advocate voting, just for PSL or the Greens, anti-genocide parties.

If only right wing people vote, only right wing policies will win.

Dems are far-right as well, lmao. If you want left views represented, vote for left parties.

If only right wing policies win, only right wing policies will be offered.

Parties pick policies based on donors, not on the public's opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, you go ahead and continue to push the democrats right then. I can't convince you. The outcome of the election will definitely convince the democrats. And I can tell you they will listen to the republican voters before they log on to lemmy.ml because there's so many more of them and they actually vote in a way that affects the outcome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I can tell you you will continue to support the increasingly right wing Democrats, and in 20 years, if Leftists save the world, you'll look back on your right-wing support with disgust.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They move right when they lose. So that they can win again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they move right, you'll still support that until the end of the world. You would vote for Hitler if Hitler+ was the opponent, instead of lifting a finger against the system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, unlike you, I can tell the difference between Hitler and the democratic party. You're so full of false equivalence.

If they move left, you'll still not vote for them because you're too pure to compromise and you will forever throw your supposedly leftist ideals on the dustbin of throwing what tiny tiny tiny power you have away and convincing anyone that shares your views to do the same.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, unlike you, I can tell the difference between Hitler and the democratic party. You're so full of false equivalence.

Where is the red line for you to stop supporting the increasingly right-wing Democrats? It certainly isn't genocide, you're voting for that this time around, so is there a meaningful point of no return? If not, you would vote for Hitler.

If they move left, you'll still not vote for them because you're too pure to compromise and you will forever throw your supposedly leftist ideals on the dustbin of throwing what tiny tiny tiny power you have away and convincing anyone that shares your views to do the same.

I have been advocating for revolution this entire thread. I am advocating for people to stop supporting the genocidal US Empire and do something other than legitimizing the US Terrorist State.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like I said, you're an accelerationist who wants it to get as bad as possible as far as possible because you think revolution will come sooner that way, and you don't care how bad the world gets in the meanwhile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I haven't said anything of the sort, you just make up whatever strawman stances you want to attack because it's more convenient for you than confronting the fact that you support genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree that you didn't admit it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You didn't admit to being a genocide enthusiast either, but more than anything your "lesser evil" rhetoric shows that you'd goosestep with the Democrats right into Hell.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your greater evil rhetoric puts the actual fascists in charge of America. Did you read project 2025 yet? Or even a summary?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course I have, I go for the "no evil" option and implore you to do so as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fascists winning doesn't trouble you at all, though, which is weird for a leftist, no? I smell republicans in disguise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course the dems or reps winning is troubling for me, the fact that you want the dems to win is troubling. We have established that you're far-right though, which is par for the course I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You're so full of shit.