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Isn't that like buying votes?
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
Merely paying you to vote at all is illegal. But they're not doing that - they're paying you to make a plan to vote, to post a tweet and to make a public apology. Nothing says you have to go through with the plan to vote, merely that you make one - and that distinction is the legal line they are walking.
Absolutely, no argument there!
They are specifically paying for a plan to vote.
But they aren't requiring people to follow through on the plan.
No, certainly not.
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
"America's bluest non voters" and "tweet Donald trump is.....". Looks like they are only paying if you agree with their politics. That is buying votes. Offering it to all non voters is one thing but the other requirements make it shady. Just as bad as Elon Musk "sign a petition". neither should be permitted.
They know
That's the point. Draw attention to the illegal shit Musk is doing so that maybe the one remaining judge in the US who wants to uphold the Constitution might do something about it.
No, it's not. Specifically because they aren't actually requiring you to vote - they are paying you to make a public apology, post a tweet, and come up with a plan to vote but not based on whether or not you actually go through with that plan or vote at all. That distinction is the specific legal line they are walking.
blue also means sad...LOOPHOLE! (You know...the whole point....)
You've got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it
I'm probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.
In both these cases, the payment technically isn't directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/10/07/elon-musks-pac-is-paying-47-for-each-solicited-petition-signature-from-a-swing-state-voter-heres-why-its-controversial/
Supporting free speech and gun rights (literally all the petition says) is something only a Trump voter would agree with?
You think Musk supports free speech in any way, form or shape?
Didn't say that.
But the petition is being sold here as "pledging to vote for Trump". which it plainly isn't. It's also been sold in this Lemmy thread as paying voters to sign a petition that only Trump voters would ever agree to sign.
The petition that allegedly only Trump voters would ever agree to sign, only states that you support free speech and gun rights. Whether or not I think Musk actually genuinely supports those things (I don't) is irrelevant, that's what the actual petition says.
Can you share the full text of the petition?
Also confirm whether signing it defaults to adding you to any mailing lists?
So that's a no.
Doesn't matter though, you're obviously being disingenuous by treating this as a one-off petition and ignoring the larger context of America PAC that it's part of.
But I suspect the full text has even more dogwhistles, and I'd bet it tries to add you to their newsletter.
I'm not being sarcastic, and I don't follow American politics that closely so I didn't know about this. I also don't see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though
Because being this blunt about it will likely get it made illegal.
They're doing it specifically to point out how bullshit it is. Read the FAQ: https://apologize.lol
That's fair enough if it's to raise awareness about the fact this is legal, doesn't seem like that's the main focus though
It absolutely is. This is the right on the heels of them suing Musk publically.
But... he is doing it?
I'm not following, I don't live in the US. If he's doing it too that also sucks but I don't think stooping to that level is the way to solve that problem
It's been pointed out that he is in fact doing it, several times actually. I'm actually pretty sure this is directly a result of the Muskrat doing it.
Then read through the website linked and understand what is going on here if you're not following.
Having read up on the article about musk doing this, he's not restricting it to people who are going to vote for a specific party which is the thing I take issue with.
Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general, paying people only if they are going to vote the way you want them to sucks
It's literally illegal.
Note the "in general" part (paying them to vote in the way they want to)
Note that it's still illegal to pay someone to vote, full stop. Does not matter if you're not telling them specifically who to vote for.
I didn't say anything about legality, that is my opinion
Then it's odd that you only mention that after I point it out.
Literally at no point in any of this comment chain have I mentioned legality
No, I did, and then you tried to correct me, and then realized you were still wrong so you pivoted to this.
Regardless, the federal government disagrees heavily with your assessment that it's fine to pay someone to vote. Hence why that's not what's actually happening here.
He posted it on X under his account...it might as well said "maga only".
I can't actually find the tweet you're talking about but I'm assuming he's deleted it or something
From what people are saying it sounds like he was just paying non voters to vote at all, not restricting it to only people who shared his political beliefs
I'd applaud it if that was what CAH were doing but they're specifically whitelisting people they agree with to be able to get the money, IE paying people to agree with them
They are paying "people that didn't vote in 2020". It is ultimately a foil of Musks rightwing, but not reaaalllyy wiiink. Just theirs it more aimed towards blue voters, but only because the right struggles to insult their godking...but ultimately it is just words and not telling them to VOTE BLUE. Just like Musk is trying to get his predominantly red crowed to register and get paid, but not TELLING them to vote red
It is completely asinine and a symptom of our trash system.
Cah literally say in their FAQ that this is only offered to "the bluest voters" and imply (whether it's true or not I don't know) that they have information about who's voted what and when to verify that
Musk is using the same data to target this offer to red-leaning voters, he's just not being as explicit about it.
Again, CaH saying the quiet part out loud and being very blatant about it while still being totally legal is the point.
How's he targeting it though, my understanding was it was just a straight twitter post
Because (as you've already stated) you're ignorant of the larger context of what the America PAC that he created is up to.
No more so that Elon