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Beehaw Support

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Support and meta community for Beehaw. Ask your questions about the community, technical issues, and other such things here.

A brief FAQ for lurkers and new users can be found here.

Our September 2024 financial update is here.

For a refresher on our philosophy, see also What is Beehaw?, The spirit of the rules, and Beehaw is a Community


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.


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obligatory preface: we're 100%-user funded and everything you donate to us specifically goes to the website, or any outside labor we pay to do something for us.

overall expenses this month: $523.79

as expected, a full month of running on last month's setup has come in pretty high. luckily, we expect downsizing to begin this month (and we have a pretty good idea of what we're going to do) so this will be our last month of costs at this scale. our initial estimation is that we can halve or better what we're paying now on a monthly basis.

$428.73 for Digital Ocean hosting, which can be further subdivided into

  • $336.00 for hosting the site itself
  • $67.20 for backups
  • $25.53 for site snapshots

$28.87 for Hive, an internal chat platform we've set up (also being hosted on Digital Ocean)

  • $24.07 for hosting Hive
  • $4.80 for backups

~$39.16 for email functionality, which can be further subdivided into

  • $35/mo for Mailgun (handles outbound emails, so approval/denial/notifications emails; also lets us not get marked as spam)
  • ~$4.16/mo ($50/yr, already paid in full) for Fastmail (handles all inbound emails)

$22.87 for BackBlaze (redundant backup system that's standalone from Digital Ocean)

overall contributions this month: $1,310.90

support still more than covers our expenses, and particularly with our upcoming downsizing we don't believe this will be a problem. breakdown is:

  • 100 monthly contributions, totaling $624.95
  • 2 yearly contributions, totaling $67.10
  • 36 one-time donations, totaling $618.85

between monthly and yearly contributions we are still sustainable overall—but now that the Reddit bump has ebbed most of our savings will come in the form of lowering costs and not "sheer amount of money being thrown our way."

total end of month balance: $4,347.79

expense runway, assuming no further donations

  • assuming expenses like ours this month: we have about 8 months and one week of runway
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really do appreciate the work you put into Beehaw, but to echo what others have said, I don't think anyone wants this to be unsustainable for you, or anyone else working on Beehaw.

At the least I think it could be reported as part of donations/expenses? Rough numbers would be fine too (because the overhead of tracking hours is not fun). So I'm imagining something like:

400 hours unpaid work (2 full time people working, 1 part-time) (if paid, that's $6,000 at minimum wage, $8,800 at a livable wage)

Which is a lot of money, and very scary, but at least it makes the behind-the-scenes work visible.

That said, I'm going to go set up a monthly donation now 🤗

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to add my support for the unpaid labor being reported as part of the financial report. It would add more clear transparency to the total effort involved.

The human toll is hard to quantify but should not be ignored.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's worth mentioning that a lot of moderation work is kinda always in the back of your mind and work even when it's not directly - answering people's questions, chatting in our mod chat, talking to other admins, etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

No illusions on my part. This is true for a lot of jobs that have 24/7 support activity and also jobs that have an emotional toll that lingers when not "working" (social workers, teachers in bad neighborhoods, nurses, content moderators). And as such, the pay scale is commensurate. It's not that it solves the problem, but that it can afford the individuals time off and rehabilitation services.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I feel that putting dollar amounts on the work would be confusing to people, they might think we'll take that money. I've thought about making a post to donate money to me personally because well, I need the money but I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

At the least I think it could be reported as part of donations/expenses? Rough numbers would be fine too (because the overhead of tracking hours is not fun). So I’m imagining something like:

400 hours unpaid work (2 full time people working, 1 part-time) (if paid, that’s $6,000 at minimum wage, $8,800 at a livable wage)

i can attempt this for the next expense report but it seems a bit academic. just estimating here, the number per month is already something like twice the total amount of money we've received over the course of the site's existence, and several times what we received this month.