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[–] [email protected] 213 points 1 year ago (71 children)

Holy shit y'all. Developers need to eat too. It's totally fine to charge for an app or serve ads. LjDawson is a fantastic developer and really listens to his user base. Yes there are plenty of open source apps to use, but sometimes closed source is way more polished because the developer makes it their job to create the app. Living isn't free. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free as in freedom. Not free beer.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

And it's a one-time fee.

I used Sync for Reddit for 11 years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Holy shit y’all. Developers need to eat too. It’s totally fine to charge for an app or serve ads.

You might be forgetting that these same developers refused to simply put in a subscription to their reddit apps to continue them, instead closing their apps and telling everyone to move to lemmy because that's where their app will be........and now adding huge subscription fees and one-off fees on a platform that doesn't charge them to use their API lol.

Maybe I'm just cynical but this really seems like the dollar signs lit up in the reddit app devs eyes the second reddits API changes got announced.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay let's do the math. According to here there is expected to be about 55.79 million folks using reddit daily. Let's say a good 5 million folks use Sync. Now, reddit said it would charge $0.24 per 1000 API calls. You can find that here. Now 1000 calls isn't much at all really. Let's say those 5 million folks just 1000 API calls a day ( they wont' actually use ONLY 1000 ). So we have 1000 * 5,000,000 * 0.24 = $1,200,000,000. That's per day. Does that seem sustainable to you? Like if folks were using MUCH MUCH less I could see your point. But the fact is....they weren't and reddit were being assholes about it. Now compare that to what he's charging. $17 bucks for a year. Let's break that down and compare it to what he'd be paying per day. Say all 5 million users were paying for Ultra. That's 5,000,000 * 17 = $85,000,000. Divide that by 12 to get per month. 85,000,000/12 = $7,083,333 per month. Divide by 30 for average revenue per day. $7,083,333/30 = $236,111. Now tell me that even comes close to $1,200,000,000. Your logic is flawed. This doesn't even account for fees and possible server costs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Let’s say those 5 million folks just 1000 API calls a day ( they wont’ actually use ONLY 1000 ).

Correct - 99% of those people will use nowhere near 1000 API calls a day. Each persons subscription only has to cover the costs of their API usage.

A $5/month subscription, at $0.24/1000 api calls, gives each user just under 21,000 API calls per month. Most people aren't going to be doing anywhere close to that.

This doesn’t even account for fees and possible server costs.

Sync doesn't need any server costs. It's not hosting an instance of Lemmy.

Also your maths is off by 1000x lol. The cost would be 1.2mil a day, not 1.2bil a day. You're multiplying by 1000 for some reason, when the $0.24 already gets you 1000 api calls. So if all 5 million used 1000 calls per day, that's 5 million x $0.24, which is $1.2mil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They would actually use much more. See [here] ( https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/141mjij/lets_talk_about_those_api_calls/). Basically almost everything is an API request. Just loading a post and doing very little you have close to 33 requests. Even if my math was wrong it's still way too much to pay for per day. Especially if folks are using much more that 1000 API calls per day.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No that's not correct. sync for Reddit already had the ultra subscription. The problem was he would have had to up the price on the sub substantially to cover the Reddit API fees.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You replied to the very answer to your question. Apps can still be businesses, not everything has to be free. There's a bunch of free alternatives, this is just one of the paid ones.

They moved to lemmy because the fees on Reddit where exorbitant, and he'd have to raise the prices too much to keep same wage (Haven't looked at the numbers). Afterall, it's he's app, and he's to decide what wage he wants to keep working on it.

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