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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3635039

Various thoughts:

  • Around 20 people weren't properly covered by the gender categories, obviously we're trying to be as inclusive as possible and a different approach will be tried next time

  • There were about 600 respondents, which gives us a accurate sampling of the active userbase. If you multiply any number by 3, you'll get a fairly accurate representation of the full userbase each week. This means there are around 800-900 people who don't identify fully as cis each week on this site.

  • Nearly 300 trans/gender diverse/questioning people unanimously agree that hexbear is an inclusive space

  • There was so much data on gender that I was really struggling to find a way to convey the data that wasnt a pie chart, graph, or an incomprehensible kalaeidoscope. If you have an idea on how to beautify the data, you can download the raw data here: https://pad.artemislena.eu/file/#/2/file/xzy4pck8on+oZp9yGRUIezR+/ - I further anonymized this data by removing time of response and any specific comments, I don't think it would be easy for anyone to figure out who is who.

  • There were a couple of text responses that really needed further elaboration, I noted hexbear's rules next to these comments

  • I'll probably be doing a demographics survey sometime in the future, including basic fairly anonymous stuff like "what region were you born in" "where do the languages you speak originate" "would you describe yourself as a POC" "what age range are you in".

  • The percentage of people answering they were cisgender increased by 8% than the previous survey. This could be for a myriad of reasons, such as cis people being afraid trans people will hunt them down in the public thread and assassinate them. Anonymity may have made them feel safer to respond. Regardless, way more people responded this time, which signifies that people felt safer responding to the cryptpad or it was easier to do. The leading question was a bit more inclusive than last time, but I think I'll include both questions (are you transgender / gender diverse and are you cisgender) to see how people respond.

  • We have a lot of people that aren't binary trans on this site.

  • Some of the questions were pretty funky and we got a lot of fuzzy responses on them as a result. In particular "After you realized you were trans/gender diverse, how long did it take for you to begin to act on it?" and "At what age did you begin transition?" caused a lot of friction, I think I will ask more vague questions in the future that lead to a path of more specific questions to capture better data, and to save people time. Questions like "Do you feel your gender transition had a defined starting point?" and some further ones.

  • Around 20 people each week on this site are cis she/hers, which is very low and roughly the same as last time. I feel like if hexbear ever starts hosting other federated stuff (like a federated tiktok or something) and can hook into it natively with lemmy, we'd see a better ratio.

  • I tried to be very sure any data with >2 people on it was clearly legible, I think some people might find it fun that there are others with their same fairly specific classifications per this survey lurking around on the site.

  • Overall I feel like the survey was a success despite some bumps.

  • You can find the other surveys/links here: https://hexbear.net/post/3016455

  • I made these graphs on company time bridget-pride-stay-mad

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (38 children)

Isn't hexbear like, one of the "transphobe" ones?...

I'm sorry if this is incorrect and i just insulted all of hexbear :(

EDIT: okay, I understand now that hexbear has dramatically changed and that they are actually a lot more strict on the rules than blahaj zone. People keep commenting the same thing on this and I keep being pinged...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (18 children)

They ban anyone and anything with a hint of transphobia, to the point of defederating blahaj for not being hard on transphobes enough.

When the site was first created there was a big problem with stupidpols, and under the guidance of TransComrade69 underwent a purge of all transphobes on the site, including even people who were consistently downvoting posts/comments by trans users. This TC69 Thought, so to speak, continues to this day.

On the Hexbear thread there's talk of doing a purge of mysogynists next, seeing how there aren't many cis women on the site judging by this poll.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (17 children)

as far as I remember, blahaj wanted to defederate cuz of users complaining about hexbears being annoying with the imperialist kind of communism but then hexbear defederated first

edit: also, I don't see how blahaj could be seen as not hard enough on transphobes :p

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

/c/196 isn't very well moderated at all... It's the biggest community on there

Also "imperialist kind of communism" lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I personally monitor the reports that hit blahaj.zone. If you have an example of transphobia that was reported but allowed to stand by me or a 196 mod, I want to know about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My complaint with transphobia/misogyny on this site is mostly that I come across posts that are clearly one of the two (or both) that have been up for days. Meaning that no one reported it (if reports do get handled like you say) and that the mods of the community clearly didn’t have a problem with it when they came across it. I report it when I see it but I don’t come here often due to the transmisogyny and if the post has been up for days then the harm has already been done…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I ban transphobes when I see them, even if the post has been up for a while before I see it. As you say, there is zero point in just deleting a post after it's been up for days, because the damage has been done. The post gets removed, and the person gets banned.

That being said, the source of the the transphobia the federates to us is external instances, so it's not a problem with "this site". It's a problem with other instances, ran by cis folk, who don't see or understand dog whistles and the harm of "just asking questions" type transphobia. And for posts like that, a DM to me is useful, because it can get the account generating the content removed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For me the posts that are problematic are always in 196 and I do think that it’s the responsibility of the mods of that community to keep it safe for (trans) women.

Do I really have to be the one to keep track of all the problematic posts if I want to convince you that it’s a systemic issue?

The main issue (but not the only one) for me is the fetishisation of trans women that is a recurring theme in that community. I’ve mentioned this before but apparently the only part that people picked up from that was that I a problem with ‘lewd memes’. I think that there is a real problem if all lewd memes are focused on the objectification of (trans) women, when most of the traffic is people (mostly cis men) from other instances who do not know how to be normal around trans people. It creates an unsafe environment for the sometimes very young trans women there who are encouraged to objectify their own bodies in unhealthy ways. Lewd posting is fine if it’s in a safe space, but 196 (and honestly almost all public spaces on the internet) really isn’t safe for the demographic that deals with the most sexual violence on and offline.

I don’t mean to sound too critical because I do appreciate this site and there is a reason I keep coming back. But also I think that this problem needs to be taken much more seriously.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

No one, including the trans fem users of this instance or of 196 are reporting the issues you're describing, and I haven't encountered them myself (though I rarely use 196). So yes, if it's happening, I do need help identifying the cis folk objectifying trans folk.

I can't solve a problem I can't see.

If the issue isn't explicitly the cis folk responding, but more the trans folk themselves choosing to put themselves out there, then that's not really something that can be addressed. I'm not going to decide for them what's appropriate for them to do with their own bodies and lives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well, thats what I remember everyone complaining about :p

also, doesnt seem like just one big community on a different instance not being moderated enough would be enough to defederate from the whole instance, specially since I remember hexbear wanting to stay federated to not divide the leftists+queers or something like that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

specially since I remember hexbear wanting to stay federated to not divide the leftists+queers or something like that

No, that was me. I wanted to stay federated with hexbear because trans solidarity is more important to me than political ideology. It didn't work, but I tried to make it work.

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