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It has been 0 series without an updated Klingon design (i.imgur.com)

submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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So many Klingons, and still no raktajino.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I meant to specifically say up until Enterprise, besides Into Darkness the scenes were cut where they take their helmets off iirc

As for the rest, they were always treated as variations of the same thing from TMP-ENT, and it wasn't until Discovery introduced the reimagination that things got messy again. Plus the s2 Discovery change isn't so much a whole new makeup again but the S1 makeup, now with Hair™️.

Now SNW is back to the TMP-ENT iteration, so hopefully we'll see like, a flat foreheaded Kor/Kang/or Koloth alongside the L'Rell this season to unify it all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As for the rest, they were always treated as variations of the same thing from TMP-ENT

Treated as such by whom? Certainly not the production teams who didn't stick with a consistent design approach from one movie to the next.

Plus the s2 Discovery change isn’t so much a whole new makeup again but the S1 makeup, now with Hair™️.

In season one L'Rell and other Klingon women had elongated skulls that are no longer present in season two. There are other changes as well beyond their growing hair, but that's the major one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Treated as such by whom? Certainly not the production teams who didn't stick with a consistent design approach from one movie to the next

Memory Alpha and Ex Astris Scientia both treated the Klingons as consistent from TMP through ENT. It wasn't until the deleted scenes from Into Darkness came out that the design was actually changed, and even then if they hadn't changed the eyes one could've just assumed they were Blinged up versions of the TMP iteration.

In season one L'Rell and other Klingon women had elongated skulls that are no longer present in season two. There are other changes as well beyond their growing hair, but that's the major one

There's a few background klingons with the elongated heads. This is a case where the stated change doesn't line up with the production change.

Point is, small variations to the same design ≠ total redesigns, which have happened only twice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Memory Alpha and Ex Astris Scientia both treated the Klingons as consistent from TMP through ENT.

Do they, though?

It wasn’t until the deleted scenes from Into Darkness came out that the design was actually changed

The Klingon redesign from "Into Darkness" isn't just in the movie proper, it's in the trailer, Bud.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Do they though?

yes, they do

He literally groups them into TOS, TMP, Into Darkness, and DIS. By your logic, the table on the linked EAS page should have at least 7 distinct columns instead of the listed 4.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He does that in service of his bizarre insistence that Disco is not part of the prime timeline.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

He technically acknowledges that it's the same timeline but a "visually rebooted"universe, at least elsewhere on the site. There used to be stuff on his website about the STID Klingons pre-Disco too. I've been visiting it for 13 years.

I don't see what's so bizarre about it, it's pretty much impossible to believe TOS unfolded as shown without the visual reboot conceit.