You do know that engineering doesn't exist independently, right? It comes from humans. And you know what those humans typically are? Workers.

My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.

[Citation needed].

Workers produce better things. Have been doing it before capitalism and will be doing it after. There's no need for a leecher class above them.

I'm starting to think you're not just playing devil's advocate...

My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things.

I've yet to see how capitalism has done that where other systems could not, though?

The capitalists are the ones who own Apple in the OP, so the designers using decades of research are still workers. Apple paying them a bunch to work together is what gets them to make the iphone, sure, but you can't say that no other system wouldn't have eventually had a similar invention

In fact, I'm quite certain that if we had a more anarchistic system instead of capitalism we'd have gotten phones or something similar sooner, as groups of nerds were working on them as early hobby projects but told to stop by their bosses and work on other more profitable shit instead

Does everyone get paid equally

Anarchist chad: Yes.

It's extremely difficult to get started.

But it would be easier to start if you got a fair amount for your labor and everyone you're going to work with pooled in.

However, it becomes extremely difficult to add a layer of fairness because some people will say that they deserve more than another person. Some people will get jobs based on who they know and who likes them. Does everyone get paid equally? Do you measure performance on some way? That creates competing interests and competition among workers.

The current system isn't fair either. Ultimately your boss decides what you get paid. They could be a benevolent dictator but they could also try to stiff you, you will never know. Now, we might not make it fair but we can definitely make it fairer. One way is democratization of the work place. Essentially everyone gets a say, say in how the revenue is split, say in who gets hired, say in whether there should be preformance metrics and if there should then also what those metrics should be.

And that's not some only theoretical idea, cooperatives are real life examples of this working. They aren't point by point as the examples I gave, but they do follow the concept of implementing democracy in the work place.

That's still market entry as the biggest obstacle, rather than risk. Getting enough people to buy it in order to make it viable is, itself, a factor of how much can be invested in marketing the phone. Designing a phone still requires at least a team of workers, if not an army, because that requires designing both the phone and software in addition to making it all work together in a usable product.

You also can't just start up a phone company from a lemonade stand. You need starting capital. Hence, market entry.