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Whoops! Google's reached a new level of JAQing off and decided to answer the questions instead of just leading to them (arstechnica.com)

submitted 4 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hermansson logged in to Google and began looking up results for the IQs of different nations. When he typed in “Pakistan IQ,” rather than getting a typical list of links, Hermansson was presented with Google’s AI-powered Overviews tool, which, confusingly to him, was on by default. It gave him a definitive answer of 80.

When he typed in “Sierra Leone IQ,” Google’s AI tool was even more specific: 45.07. The result for “Kenya IQ” was equally exact: 75.2.

Hmm, these numbers seem very low. I wonder how these scores were determined.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I don't understand the title. LLM hallucinations have nothing to do with JAQing off.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Problem it wasn't a hallucination - it was referencing a paper that has been debunked. These aren't made up numbers, they're VERY specific numbers that come from a VERY specific paper.

This one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289610000450 -- If I'm not mistaken. Created by a Nazi Sympathizer Richard Lynn and the Pioneer Fund

The problem is that this also managed to get cited more than 22,000x creating a feedback effect that reinforced the AI's learning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, but it's still got nothing to do with the dishonest rhetorical technique called "JAQing off" (a.k.a. "Just Asking Questions," a.k.a. "sealioning").

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

It's kind of a ... symptom ... of the community we're in. I wouldn't read into it too deeply.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the usual output from the AI Overview (or at least the goal) is to give a long and ostensibly Fair and Balanced summary. So in this case it would be expected to throw out "some say that people from Australia are extra dumb because of these studies, but others contend that those studies were badly performed" or whatever. Asking the question on more words to represent both sides so that it can pretend not to be partisan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Let me be more clear about this: an LLM trying to answer a question (successfully or otherwise) is doing basically the opposite of a human asking questions (disingenuously, as in "JAQing off," or otherwise).

I wasn't trying to solicit comments trying to explain what the LLM was doing; my point was simply that OP is confused and used a term incorrectly in the title.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

i like turtles

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's a reference to the fact that the kind of person who would try and justify this sort of race science is also the kind of person who is "just asking questions." Combined with the tech industry's tepid "it's just a tool, it's not inherently evil" bullshit, I think OPs point is obvious to anyone who isn't a pedant, deliberately acting in bad faith.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

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