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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Good, I hope it does some good. Any other vote is a vote for Trump, intended or not, and Trump won't just ignore the genocide. His track record makes it abundantly clear that he'll absolutely make it worse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

I mean he is where money is and that is powerful zionist lobbies so yea you can bet money that he will be super enthusiastic to help Israel.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Any other vote is a vote for trump

This is just factually incorrect. And easily demonstrated using math you should have learned in the 5th grade.

Trump: 5 votes

Harris: 5 votes

Any other vote: 5 votes

If i keep adding votes to 'any other vote' the ratio between trump / Harris will not change.

T: 5 H: 5 AOV: 10000

Ratio is still one see? In no way is Harris' chances of winning impacted by a third party vote.

What you mean to say is 'Harris having shitty policies that are abhorrent to the voting population causes her to be at risk of losing to a literal fascist.'

By trying to put the blame on other voters because you are willing to overlook genocide says more about you than it does them.

There is only one person who can fix Harris' platform. Put the blame where it rightfully belongs, on harris.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sure, but only fourth grade logic is required to see why that's wrong.

Trump: 50,000,000 votes

Kamala: 50,000,000 votes

Other candidates: 1,000 votes + 3,000 votes + 7,000 votes + ...

When an primitive voting scheme is used that says "winner takes all and you can only vote for one candidate," a vote for any other candidate is essentially the same as not voting unless the masses gather behind a single third party (which will never happen, especially with the internet).

A voting scheme more sophisticated that allows people to pick multiple candidates, in something like a ranked list for example, would make third party votes worth something. But that disrupts the status quo and doesn't help career politicians, so we'll never see that unless heads start rolling.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Lol you'd fail fourth grade. First off there is no evidence third party people would vote for any other candidate if the 3rd party wasnt on the ballot.

Secondly did you know that in ~40/50 states your harris vote is very unlikely change the outcome, and in 16 of those harris is assured the win? If you're in those 16 think long and hard if genocide is the line you're willing to cross.

Fun fact do you know many 3rd party candidates and no voters this year are Republicans?

Second fun fact: did you know that our government has two electable branches? And you can deny votes for one to influence the other? Did you also know that this works locally too?

For example i routinely deny candidates from the Democratic party my vote while voting for other Democratic candidates to increase the likelihood they are replaced or change their positions.

The governor who is prochoice has way more votes than the legislature candidate who wasnt 🤔. Funny how that works. So again anyone reading this:

  1. Support rank choice voting in your region.
  2. Feel free to vote third party! Its fine in most cases. Just show up and vote.
  3. If you're in a competitive district: voting third party might not be in your interest!
  4. Stop repeating the lesser evil nonsense and learn how to leverage your vote for the maximum outcome. Handing your vote out to the lesser evil is why we dont have labor rights or decent health care.
  5. The genocide is a real fucking problem and America should not be backing it. If you like my dear friend im responding to here maybe learn a more nuanced view for voting instead of being driven by fear. You'll get better outcomes both in convincing people to support your candidate and in your stress levels.