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Okay, how do liberals keep wandering in here? Did someone open a window or something?
They haven’t defederated us yet, so we still show up on their all page.
Some of them are doing it just to get banned by us, which I don’t really understand…
They have a need to justify their warped worldview. They believe we're evil authoritarians, and they are taught to hate authority (unless it aligns with their wants), and so they will harass and argue with us in bad faith until they are inevitably banned, all so they can say "See? They silence those they disagree with!" They have a martyr complex and think harassing people online by talking out of their ass is like standing up to tyranny. It helps them deal with the dissonance of believing they're free and righteous while supporting the most warmongering regime in human history.
Not really, no. I don't seek out evidence to justify my worldview. In fact, any time I come across something that reaffirms what I believe, my first instinct is to verify by checking multiple sources and waiting for confirmation that it's not just a lie. We don't think getting banned on a liberal or fascist forum makes us martyrs or justifies our worldview. Some people do it to harass fascists, but most MLs who get shutdown on other forums honestly were just trying to explain their views and were punished for it. The only times I've ever seen people banned in ML circles were for repeated instances of bad faith argument and harassment.
You may get downvoted to hell, but as long as you aren't being a thoughtless asshole, you're not likely to get banned, lol. Even if you are, you can appeal and will probably be listened to.
I'm not saying you're guilty of brigading or being an asshole to other sides or whatever, but all sides have assholes. Especially when there's effectively only 2 parties in America, there's gonna be assholes on both sides because being left or right or centrist doesn't mean you're any less of an asshole.
There is one party in America, the rich people's party, and they play both sides of the culture war.
Preach.
"I crap on the floor instead of the toilet, so everyone else must do it too!"
I don't understand your point?
CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet
*By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like "liberal democracy" not like Trump uses it
Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it.
I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol
I know, no objection there, just trying to explain.
We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts:
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814
You're assuming that just because one thing is bad, all similar things must be equally bad.
To use a far less crude analogy: If you were stabbed with a knife in a back alley, that would be pretty horrible, but if you were to be operated on by a doctor, they would still cut you open, but it wouldn't be a bad thing like the first one.