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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Time for Europe to get our shit together in regards with the military. I can't stand the though of pulling back or surrendering territory to Russia.
Will it be hard - yes. But our quite recent ancestors went through worse in WWI and WWII and they didn't give up because it was inconvenient. Unfortunately (or fortunately, given the history) the only way to get Europeans into killing mode is a total war.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Well, technically speaking, some of them did give up because it was convenient, but we won in the end and it only cost us the most deaths ever recorded for any conflict ever. This-this isn't helping me rn. This conversation isn't helping.