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"Excessive secrecy has led to grave misdeeds against loyal civil servants, military personnel and the public — all to hide the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos."

Like previous congressional UFO hearings, today's event featured testimony from current U.S. military personnel who claim the American government has for decades hidden evidence of advanced technologies and otherworldly visitors from the public. A multitude of anecdotes were presented about flying orbs coming out of the ocean, disc-shaped objects, and craft "exhibiting flight and structural characteristics unlike anything in our arsenal." While such claims are nothing new, what is noteworthy about today's hearing are the pedigrees of some of the whistleblowers who testified, including a former U.S. counterintelligence officer, a retired U.S. Navy rear admiral and a former NASA associate administrator. All of them stressed the need for more government transparency, less stigma about the UFO topic and new policies to bring UAP data out of the "black" classified world and into the public domain.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Given their credentials, I don't doubt what they say. What I doubt is their need to know about need to know classified projects. They've likely seen experimental projects without knowledge of what they were. When I was a kid, before the F117A was announced to the world, we saw them flying over a lake late at night. We were all convinced we had just seen UFOs. But after the jets were announced to the public a few years later, we realized what we had seen. I'm sure there are hundreds of instances like this, especially amongst people close to the military.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Except that some of the objects reported by military personnel defied our current understanding of the laws of physics. Objects being tracked moving in ways that would ensure thousands of Gs, and then turning on a dime. And showing no signs of stress, whereas an F16 starts going through structural failure around 17 Gs.

And this isn't a new thing. Some of the craft moving at insane rates were reported by credible military witnesses back in the 1950s and '60s.

If we're going to trust that the witnesses know what they are talking about (and I we have no reason to not), then we need to also trust that they aren't just being hoodwinked by skunkworks type human/terrestrial vehicles. These guys aren't ignorant, superstitious yokels. They are people of science who have tried to find rational explanations, but none makes sense.

If so they are seeing are cutting-edge human technology then there is a massive disconnect in what DARPA or whoever are coming up with and what is available to the public. Like conventionally hundreds of years of technological progress difference.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How much of that could be explained as an autonomous, or FPV turboshaft quadcopter? Even just electric prop quadcopters are capable of things that would kill a human pilot, and defy our normal perceptions of flight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Going at speeds that simulate a couple of thousand Gs and then turning on a dime? Going effortlessly from the air into the ocean and then traveling underwater at the speed of a Russian torpedo? And back in the 1980s? C'mon, seriously! No, none of that can be explained by it being a powerful quadcopter.