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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

Call me radical if you want but, I don't think Subject A of our cause should be rights for a minority of our citizenry.

Those rights should be unspoken truths we uphold regardless.

The common man will walk by TRANS RIGHTS 4000 times before they walk by UNION STRIKE.

The left needs to go back to focusing on workers, unions, labor, taxes, fairness and sense. Trans rights are important, and topical, but I feel the sjw yelling pushes a lot of people away from what our side of politics is actually about.

There isn't a single person I work with that wouldn't toss a flier with 'trans rights' written on it in the trash the second it was handed to them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. And fuck the very concept of "sjw", that shit isn't helpful

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I see your point but when basic human rights of a minority group are threatened, there is a moral imperative to organize to protect them, regardless of their popularity. There’s really no way around it. I think a framing that includes trans rights as only one aspect of a larger struggle for human freedom and dignity is the best strategy. Because there will need to be some discussion of trans rights if fascists continue to attack them. The alternative is to abandon a part of our community to violent oppression, which to me is unthinkable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

MSNBC agrees with you that the Democrats went too "woke"... while repubs dumped millions into trans panic ads. If "left" Democratic leaning media is willing to throw principles under the bus to capitulate on hand waving economic yabbering, then we need to stop associating them with leftist principles.

Again, repubs did all the sjw yapping about trans people, and other than the bare minimum the dems pretty much kept quiet while also not making moves on unions or anything the like. Shouldacouldawoulda, but they didn't. And trans people should not be brought to take the brunt of what lies ahead because of that.

I know its easy to say the dems should have done different, but DO NOT let rightwing narrative lead to you lapse in your principles, we're here because the Democrats couldnt stick to theirs regardless.

We're here now, so all you can do is protect your trans neighbors and friends. I, for one, certainly wouldn't want to be told my rights as an individual were focused on TOO MUCH by the only people willing to represent me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Seriously, we got one line of support from Walz and Harris' offer to follow the law, which is a far cry from supporting trans rights when you consider the laws being passed in many states.

Democrats who were pressed on trans rights this election cycle consistently backed down and conceded and moved towards discriminatory Republican positions.

I wish Harris had won, I would feel much more comfortable with the future prospects of my rights the next 4 years. But anyone who views the Democratic party as truly supportive of trans rights, certainly in any kind of national sense, is sorely mistaken.

[–] Echolynx 6 points 4 hours ago

It was a distraction tactic and they fell for it brilliantly.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

If that's how they feel about basic human rights, then they don't deserve to have support for their union, either. They are both about respect, and if you're not willing to give it then you don't deserve to get it, either.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the leftists mortal enemy, the less-idealogically-pure leftist.

Of the people that care enough to vote, leftists are a clear minority. We need to find people to work with on specific, community-building goals, even if we can't agree with them on everything (or anything!) else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Funny you say that, because I'm definitely not a radical leftist - except maybe somewhat for social justice. While I mostly agree with progressive ideals, I'm also pragmatic enough to accept that such drastic change can't realistically happen overnight - or, in many cases, even vaguely quickly. At least not without some rather significant, yet unnecessary upheavals in much of the general population's lives.

While I wouldn't stop supporting unions, I would most certainly be less sympathetic to those who expect sympathy, but aren't willing to give it. That's just being selfish, IMO, and I really don't care to deal with overly/unjustifiably selfish people. The Golden Rule is my primary guide to life, whereas it seems to me that most people preach it without truly following it themselves. It frustrates the fuck outta me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm just tired of our side attempting to appeal to basic human decency when it's been more than proven that there isn't any.

Regardless of what you think about my or their vote, you need it. You don't have the luxury of being exclusionary when you're on the losing side and bleeding support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

Republicans were (in theory) on the losing side in 2022 - there was supposed to be a "red wave" that never materialized. They won (again) this time around by fully embracing being exclusionary. Seems to me Dems need to stop trying to attract those people (I think I read that Harris managed to get less than 5% of them, while losing something approaching 15% in Democrat voters), and instead focus on being an exclusionary antithesis to them. If we're going to be a two party system, then make them polar opposites rather than just a lite version of the same side (within practical limits, of course).