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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I have heard some respectable communities, namely r/AskHistorians, express hesitance at coming to Lemmy in part over fears of appearing biased due to the overt political stance of Lemmy's creators. In other words, it's hard to be a neutral body in affiliation with anything that has an overt political stance.

I wonder what the devs of Lemmy think of this hesitance. Is it unreasonable and itself biased? Or do you see any potential for finding a way to facilitate a platform that would allow for a more neutral space?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They can run their own lemmy server, they don't even need to federate with any dev run servers.

Also if you think something isn't political, you haven't examined it closely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Also, the deepest faith you can have in a political ideology is when you don't recognize you have one.

this This is a powerful truth. Some of the most critical actors in maintaining the status quo are the mass of people who are convinced it is the neutral, natural way of the world and not informed by politics at all.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If anyone considers themselves a historian and thinks anything is unbiased, their experience and insight will be dubious at best. Understanding that everyone has a distinct worldview and therefore bias is literally high-school history class, years before History 101. Do they think reddit.com, or any reddit alternative forthat matter, is unbiased or neutral??

Not only is it irrelevant in context (FOSS, forkable, the devs in question only moderate this single instance), it's especially unreasonable coming from /r/AskHistorians. They of all people should be able to understand bias, context and causation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah this. No association is implied just by using open source software. You don't have to agree with Richard Stallman to use GNU utils, nor linus torvalds to use linux, it doesn't make you suspect politically, it's just software.

If you don't wanna be associated with communists then don't use a communist instance (hexbear, lemmygrad), that's fine. even if they don't make their own instance they can pick and choose their associations. Frankly, being associated with reddit is far worse than being associated with commies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They're classic Moralintern lol

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They can definitely run their own server, and we'd even help them get set up. There's no such thing as a neutral space, but people can set up an instance if they'd like to moderate / control it how they see fit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't the federation part fix that? Couldn't they host their own server or be on a more neutral instance? or am I missing the point?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

They could, if they cared to research that much, which many don't seem to want to do.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it’s hard to be a neutral body in affiliation with anything that has an overt political stance.

What the hell? This is open source. The minute the devs do something to the product that people don't like, a bazillion forks will appear. While they are the developers of Lemmy, the code isn't theirs, it's everyone's.

[–] bestonecrazy 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No idea about it, do you have a short summary?

[–] bestonecrazy 6 points 1 year ago

Very basic summary: when they changed their privacy policy to include telemetry, everyone forked it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is antithetical to the decentralised web. The primary feature is that there's no centralised control. Create your own askhistorians instance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Maybe these so-called historians just need to brush up on the history of all hitherto existing society.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh huh........yeah sure.........they're worried about lemmy..........right.......

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Who is u/audax ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Why don’t they join Kbin instead if that’s the case?