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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Honey because local beekeepers are, in my experience, commited conservationists obsessed with protecting honeybees. Volunteering time to rescue hives, etc. I imagine an argument can be made against industrial production, however.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The correct term is bee enslavers. Honey is for the bees not for the humans to steal and murder their queen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

You definitely don't want to kill the queen, very counterproductive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

who are you, who are so wise in the ways of chaos and divisiveness

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Just to present the other side of hoeny veganism, I don't consume any out of ethical consistency. Without question beekeepers do far less damage to their animals than cows, pig or chicken ranchers since those end in slaughter. But it's still a product produced by an animal for a specific purpose in its life cycle. While slaughtering a pig for pork is murder, taking a hives honey is theft. Beekeepers replace it with a sugar water mix instead but as I understand the research that slurry misses many of the core nutrients bees put in to their honey.

If someone took food off my plate to replace with a less nutritional and tasty substitute I'd be pissed, so I see no reason to do it to bees. Besides, agavae is cheap, healthier and tastes near identical. Since a readily available susbistute exists, I don't even miss or care about honey.

I would never say someone who eats honey isn't vegan, but it is a matter of polite disagreement among the community.