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What about WWII? The US Revolution? The US civil war? The Haitian Revolution? Is France really worse off now? Ukraine?
Violence / death is very rarely the answer to anything, but it's a cold hard fact that sometimes it is, especially when you start bringing war and revolutions into it, lmao.
"Hand over your money, please!"
To be clear, I'm not advocating for killing anyone in the streets, and vigilante justice like this is not something I'd like to see, but the blanket response of "violence bad" is plain wrong.
The US Revolution wasn't anything like the French and Russian ones. Haiti was but it wasn't Haitians that screwed them over afterwards, it was the US. So maybe they could have been the one time where an orgy of violence worked?
Except you're here defending exactly that.
Based on your arguments here you're basically saying that celebrating (or maybe even even simply not condemning?) this act of violence means that you must tacitly endorse this type of violence, correct? That's a very long bow to draw.
I think most people, myself included, would much prefer a non-violent way to prevent capitalists from profiting directly from the physical and financial misery of sick and dying people. Like maybe some stronger laws, better regulation and enforcement, and active prosecution of non-compliant companies and their bosses, for a start, right? But in the seeming absence of that possibility, why not let folks have their schadenfreude moment in peace?
Personally, for me it's also "important" that this is "celebrating" violence that was successful and is "complete". While I understand wishing Trump dead, the people posting about that after the failed attempt on him were making calls to further violence, which I personally found distasteful.
Because like you said, I feel we should be aiming for a better solution than murders and bloodshed.
But this fucker's dead already. No amount of hand wringing will change that.
Maybe it's shitty or hypocritical of me. I'm not comfortable championing the sharpening of the guillotine until all else has been exhausted, but I'm sure as hell not going to fuss when heads of garbage are rolling across the ground.
I wouldn't say you need to condemn it. But yes. We condemn celebration of violence when we don't agree with it, such as when extremists do a shitty thing and they celebrate. To fail to do so now risks creating more extremists and exposes hypocrisy to ones that already exist, making it extra hard to de-radicalize them.
There's really so many reasons to keep a muted reaction.