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I am saying the system he helped caused people to die that did not need to die. I am saying it causes untold suffering to their families and friends.
It seems to me that systemic suffering is fine as long as shareholder value is increased.
I live my life similar to Luigi, although to a lesser extent. In that I don’t let things like the law dictate what I will and will not do, more that I will weigh up the pros and cons of a particular action. When a person doesn’t believe the world is being run morally we will go off our own morals of what we believe is right and I truly believe the world would be a better place if certain people were not in it anymore. If you can kill 1 person and it improves the lives of say 100 people , then have at it and kill that sob.
If you were in a room with Hitler before he came to power and you some how knew what he would go on to do, are you saying you wouldn’t have killed him?
Would i Kill Hitler? no, because i am not one to take someone's life. I don't think anyone has that right. and if it's committed, they will be tried in court and thrown away in jail.
Appreciate your honesty, even if I think it’s a little misguided.
I would have put a bullet in Hitler’s head without hesitation if I knew how many people he would go on to kill, I actually think it would be my responsibility to make the world a better place.
If I was tried for that crime and sentenced to life in prison, then I would accept that as the cost of doing the right thing.
Now I imagine Luigi wrestled with the same things and is happy to face charges for doing what he thought was right and I find that admirable, much more admirable than letting someone like Hitler cause millions of deaths because I didn’t want to get my hands dirty.
I want you to know I am not judging you and I support your belief in your morals and where you draw the line, I just wanted to open a discussion as someone who is somewhere on the ASPD spectrum, it always interests me what lines people have and their reasons for them.
Have a nice day. 😊
well i don't consider it mis-guided, just learning from history.
History is rife with people being murdered to stop them from more murdering.
right. lets stop that.
Ok so here's the thing. Some people will not stop murdering, and are in positions where they can get away with it. No chance to jail them, etc.
But since you're cool with Hitler, guess you're cool with that, too.
who said im cool with hitler? dont put words in my mouth. hitler was a genocidal maniacal tyrant.
Yet you would let him continue his genocidal tyranny rather than being ok with him being murdered.
because i don't commit murder.
So you would be cool with someone else killing Hitler, for the greater good?
no, that would be murder, i would say Hitler should be arrested before he commits his crimes
I’m afraid you’re not living in the real world then.
Nobody was going to arrest Hitler, he was the leader of a country. Much like nobody is actually going to arrest Netanyahu. So that means they’re able to continue ordering the murder of innocent people.
Now I think it’s insane that you would be so staunchly against murder for any reason, even when the person who should be murdered doesn’t share your morals and will happily be complicit in the murder for thousands and millions of people. It’s a massively naive take on the world and I’m flabbergasted that an adult could hold your beliefs, well unless religion is involved as that tends to skew people with some belief that people will get what they deserve when they did, which itself is a little naive.
One final hypothetical:
You’re on vacation on a deserted island with your family and some lunatic has taken a boat to the same island. They’ve rigged up some explosives in your families cabin and are going to blow it up in 60 seconds, you find a sniper rifle (assume you know how to use it) and have the ability to shoot this dude before he blows up your family.
Are you still not going to take action? Are you still a pacifist in this situation?
i wont go on vacation becuase i dont trust airplanes. problem solved.
I mean I did say the island was reachable by boat, but hey avoid the question because I suspect you would agree with murder in that situation.
Kinda has the only moral abortion is my abortion vibes, just swap out abortion for murder.
abortion should be legal because its not its own life until it leaves the womb. and no im not going to commit murder. i would rather die first.
You wouldn’t be dead. You would be alive living with the facts your moral compass got your whole family blown up whilst the killer roams free, according to my hypothetical at least.
Anyway, you do support murder. If you eat meat, use pesticides, etc.
But you said you wouldn’t kill Hitler even if you had knowledge he would go on to cause millions of deaths. I think that is misguided, in that your reasoning isn’t sound. Because you think murder is wrong you would allow millions to die for the sake of one monster.
Now if you’d come back and said something along the lines that perhaps someone else would have taken hitlers place and nothing would really have changed would have been a different discussion, but you didn’t so I have to assume you didn’t think that and you just object to murder, even to save a life.
again, I don't believe i have the right to take someone's life, and nobody else does.
This reeks of privilege.
honey, you have no clue what that word even means.
Yeah, its like someone who's never been put into that position trying to judge people from their ignorance. You know, you.
LMFAO you think you know my life ahaha! 😂
You believe you came to this value alone but it’s the kind of passivity the ruling class wants you to demonstrate. “Nobody is above the law” is another one, but the US just elected a 34-time felon.
Starting to see things any more clearly yet? If not, look inward. Harder…
You are right. nobody is above the law
Except that some clearly are in practice. It's a nice platitude, but it means nothing without action backing it up.