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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector

All aviation is 1.9% .. Private would be a vanishingly small amount of that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That link does not have information on the contribution of private aviation. You are assuming it.

In this BBC article on What's the climate impact of private jets you can read that

"Emissions per kilometre travelled [using an airplane] are known to be significantly worse than any other form of transport.

(...)

Private jets generally produce significantly more emissions per passenger than commercial flights."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes the BBC article is correct too. Just because CO2 emissions per km travelled are high doesn't mean they're statistically relevant in terms of total emissions. All aviation at 1.9% is basically not a meaningful amount of CO2 if you need a 50% reduction.

When weighted for KMs travelled a riding lawn mower is probably worse than a private jet by that logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1.9% is significant and meaningful, objectively, mathematically and statistically. It might not feel high to you. But that is your feeling.

And I suspect you are assuming that the path, you think uses the best strategy, to reach 50% reduction on emissions is the only available. Reducing emissions of the persons with most emissions is a valid priority, and these high emitters likely include aviation emmlissions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

1.9% for people to go back to crossing the Atlantic on the titanic .. No more air freight. No more sunny vacations for anyone. That's all aviation gone. Now you find me the other 50% on that pie chart and picture the miserable world you're advocating for. Then realise no logical developing country is going to comply with that plan as that means freezing them at their current level and that this isn't a fixable problem through reductions .. And chasing several thousand high emissions worth individuals is an utter waste of time .. Let's just agree to disagree I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you already knew the answer why did you ask?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Did I knew the source that supported the comment of /u/malaph, no, I didn't. I don't have premonition abilities.

Are you okay?