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A look back at the bestselling book franchise that taught people to “think like economists,” by which it meant “think cynically and amorally.”

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure there is nuance to it, and it’s good to help people and society, but we shouldn’t be forced to.

the other comment challenges one half of this, but i'll also challenge this bit since i get the sense this is a position you believe you hold but don't actually. i'll briefly illustrate why, and you can correct me if i'm assuming wrong of you here.

i am going to assume you support taxation. there are a lot of reasons to—it maintains your roads and allows your fellow citizens to survive, be housed, be clothed, and be fed. but you are compelled to pay taxes by legal sanction and even imprisonment. so if your issue is with being forced to help people and society, wouldn't it then be necessary to oppose taxation, since it does that but it's not voluntary?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do not support taxation. Taxes are theft. I only pay taxes because if you don't they can throw you in jail. I am an anarchist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

okay so then i think your position is just really bad and not tenable for running society.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well so I think it's first important to note that taxes are the positive right of our government to levy, per the 16th amendment, true really for every government, so we just aren't playing on the same legal basis as one another.

Second, if you are an anarchist, you are a leftist, because governments are the enforcers of private property rights. Personal property can exist under anarchy, because you can defend it, but as a matter of pure practicality private property can not, because you are not present to defend it, and are outnumbered by your workers, who have an incentive to not heed your claim to ownership. If you support private property, you support a government that protects private property, which requires police, which requires taxation, which kinda brings us back around to your first point that taxes are theft.

Since you need police, a system of violence in and of themselves, and taxation to make private property work, then at the very least private property is also violence.