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Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi
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No one did. And even if they did that wasn't the only thing I was talking about. There are valid criticisms about all ideologies especially liberalism. I may not agree with the extremism and hypocrisy that they attack it with. But sometimes your enemies or people you just don't like do have a point. Separate yourself from the system and stop being offended for it.
You aren't an ideology. You're more complex and more flexible than that. Just like other people. Sometimes we all forget that though. You started out attacking the messenger. Not the message. Yeah I think lemmygrad is a toxic place, and wouldn't associate with it. But, that had no real bearing on what the person said.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/343213/-/comment/1636453
Four links calling me a fascist. And I'm happy to analyze criticisms made in good faith, using the words of the person I'm talking to. Link-dumping ideological screeds against liberals from smug leftists who sit on their asses and declare that I'm the same as a Republican when I'm pushing for progress and they're just fantasizing about what would be possible if only everyone agreed with them? That, I am not open to.
What did I just finish saying. You are a person not an ideology. And if those articles really are written about you personally. Perhaps should do some introspection. No I believe you're just engaging in hyperbole at the moment.
But tell me you don't have the self-awareness to see the irony in someone basically doing to you what you did to the lemmygrad poster. Which again, I don't like lemmygrad. But you're critique of that poster was rather equally extreme and uncalled for.
It's silly were even having this discussion at this point. Because I asure you for the topic this whole thread of posts is founded upon. You both probably agree far more than you disagree. And both your energies should be turned towards the people who made this a possibility. Not each other. Hell I'd say you both probably have a lot more in common than you think. It's clear you've reduced them to the ideology of leninism. And you strongly identify yourself as a liberal. You are both adherence to largely failed ideologies. So you have that in common. I Kidd. But seriously. All of this is wasted drama and effort.
Yeah, look, man, I'm open to working with anyone in coalition, even if I disagree with them. That's why I'm a liberal. People who call me a fascist for joining that kind of coalition, they aren't open to working with me. I've interacted quite a lot with people like that. They don't want collaboration, they want capitulation on every topic so they can dictate events. Except there's five billion different ways that the various people in those communities want to dictate events, so there's not even an avenue towards uniting people in a functional coalition.
As a socialist (social democrat/true libertarian) ish I don't totally disagree with you. However the question seemed pretty innocuous and even sincere. You came in a bit hot. I've done it too. And probably will do it again at some point. But when we do that it just drives us apart and causes everyone else to behave extremely too.
I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that when someone has already decided that I'm the same as a Republican because I'm a social liberal, then there's really not much of a point in anything beyond mocking them for being unrealistic and trying to play for the audience.
Do you deny that many democrats/liberals have over the years acquiesced and even assisted in bad Republican legislation? That's not a controversial thing to point out. They have.
And look even you are giving qualifiers now. Calling yourself a socially liberal. Which is something very different from economic liberalism. Which is what generally people are talking about when they talk about liberals. If I had to Hazard a guess. I would say that you are honestly pro-social democracy more than you are a liberal. And in fact on many economic issues would actually be more on the left with the rest of the Socialist then you would most economic right wing liberals. Just something to consider.
Anyhow I've said my piece. And it seems the actual extremist and downvote Squad have showed up. We had a pretty reasonable conversation but getting downvoted I don't see the point and continuing it anymore have a good day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism