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[rant] Why is this so hard for people? (kbin.social)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Can I just rant a little to you all?

I've tried numerous times to help people from reddit set up an account and get started on Kbin (and lemmy), but 4 out of 5 times people can't seem to grasp the concept of registering an account and starting to use this platform. Even breaking it down into 2 steps, with direct links... They get angry, and then ragequit their attempt in a huff saying how it's too fucking complicated and it will never take off because it's so hard.

Ok, I get that the fediverse is complicated if you think deeply about all the interconnectivity and federation etc, but there is no reason you even have to think about any of it to create an account and get started. Like, at all.

It reminds me so much of my 70/y old mother-in-law not immediately knowing how to work a tv remote and shoving it at me after 1.5 seconds saying "here, I can't figure this out". When in reality all she had to do was press the fucking big red button...

I'm just so frustrated with people's complete lack of ability to help themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not always. There are the defederated instances, for example. Sometimes things break like lemmy.ml and people are having issues subscribing to communities (it's apparently just a visual bug, but still). There have been tons of questions about the Fediverse from people who just got here. Kbin, for example, was not federating properly for a while before and we on lemmy could not see any posts on it. That can matter if a specific community is on an instance not accessible to a user for one reason or another.

Edit: I'm not criticizing the Fediverse, but it still has issues to be addressed. It's pretty young relative to big social media sites like FB, reddit, etc so growing pains are to be expected. But we do need to acknowledge the issues if we hope to fix them later on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes but that's only relevant if you're aware of a specific community on a specific instance and expect to be interacting with it on purpose.

It's completely irrelevant if someone just gives you the name of an instance, tells you to make an account on it and start using. You'll be perfectly fine reading and commenting whatever's in your feed.

The only way this breaks is if you're in an instance that is too small to have local traffic while having technical difficulties with federation. If the instance is active enough or it's federating normally, someone completely unaware of the concept of federation will be perfectly fine as long as they understand the interface.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They'll be fine until someone recommends a community on another instance complete with link and suddenly the user is logged out, can't subscribe to that community, and when they try to log back in by clicking the login link on the page, it says account not found.

For this reason, there is a need for at least a little bit of understanding about how federation works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This understanding is much more easily achieved after one's familiar with the basics of their own instance though, isn't it? Rather than expecting them to imagine the exact user experience of the fediverse before they even made their account, would we not be better off introducing them to a cold open and be helpful later when they have questions?

All of these problems are caused by the same underlying system and trying to explain the system to non-users is the exact wrong way to go about alleviating them. Better interface and UX design is the only thing which can solve this issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True. I agree with you. Hopefully soon most technical issues will be resolved enough to not matter to the average user. I'd love for us to grow more, and I think we should address the barriers that are preventing some "normies" (for lack of a better term) from heading here. I know some are just making up excuses, but hell my mom just learned how to post in facebook middle of last year. Lmao. Some are just easily confused.