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Beehaw: We'll start our own Reddit. Without blackjack and hookers!
Someone tell them they don't need federated systems for that, they could have done the same on a phpBB forum from 2004.
why did they defederate?
Trolls and off-site users not obeying community rules.
They were just making up excises to defederate if you ask me... cuz no one seems to mind most of the users either on this instance or another, but beehaw does 😒.
i am in the instance that got defederated by them. tbh there arent much trolls really and if there are i just flag and block them. just numbered trolls, like in any other places. beehaw think they r the Apple of instances, worrying about their user's 'safety' and all 🥱
They don't need an excuse, though. That's the benefit of being an independent website. They can just decide for themselves, at any point, and for any reason.
But they gave a reason. So, maybe you should consider that they're seeing something different from you.
That beats the whole point of having a fediverse, what good is it if everyone just defederates from everyone else. Basically, we're back to the forum thing once again.
I call BS. I think it was planned all along. Wait till a bunch of users migrate from reddit to beehaw, defederate and run our instance our way, i.e. we run a forum that has ActivityPub, that's it.
Federation is, always has been, and always will be an option. And an option that works ok when there's a small number of people on other sites doesn't always work well for people when there's a large number.
Plus, it's not like they defederated from everyone. They just had issues with moderation on your instance and a few others. Plenty of people off-site still have access to beehaw communities, because we haven't been acting like little stains.
You're going to be in for a world of psychic pain once there are 2 thousand smaller lemmy instances and they don't all universally federate.
And they won't. Because they don't have to. And you can't make them.
Oh, come on, no one else has a problem with users on sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world, but beehaw does... just look at the moderation logs, there is nothing scary there, like a bunch of users from those 2 instances getting banned in bulk or something like that.
I still call BS regarding the reason. The wanna defederate, fine (even though it's not IMO, but for the sake of argument, let's say I'm OK with defederation in general). But don't think for 1 second that we're gonna believe that excuse you served us. It's obvious it's a lie. And that's fine too, but... really? The same things that happened on reddit happening here as well, I mean... that was not the reason we moved.
Ok. You don't believe them.
Good for you.
Why should anyone else care what you believe or not?
And why would they bother lying, when they can just... not? They've been clear about who they are and what they're doing from the start. The "I say what I want" crowd can't say what they want there, and if they keep having y'all show up and try and ignore the rules, then why wouldn't they just get rid of you all at once?
You're trying to claim conspiracy as to why you've been dis-invited from the party, when the reality is they just realized they didn't want you there. Because, and this is the kicker that I can't tell whether you know about or not, they only defederated from a couple of Lemmy sites. Most of us still have access.
And you're just naive.
If others follow their example, this place is gonna suck worse than reddit. Having freedom is good, but too much of it fucks things up.
In any case, kbin is my next stop cuz, as soon as you guys get the app up and running.
LOL 😂. With snowflake users and and... we'll call it a forum.