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I firmly disagree with this post. People should not just “rely on their instincts,” which have proven time and again to be highly inaccurate and subject to bias. This is starting to look like what those “body language experts” do, and those people have lower accuracy than a coin toss in controlled experiments.
The only reliable way to tell if someone is lying is through actual evidence. What we know so far certainly paints LMG in a bad light, but I will continue to wait for more information to come out.
I agree, I always feel like the "I always knew X was a bad person" discourse that always pops up in the wake of this stuff indicates that like. Somehow you had more knowledge than anyone else about this. It's basically just fueling your own ego as a result of a situation like this. You don't know these people, what makes people feel like a gut instinct suffices as sufficiently damning evidence? Like, it's fine to not like someone and abstain from engaging with them accordingly. That's okay. But going "I always knew that he was bad" does no good.
Obviously listen to Madison, trust victims and support them (do note that this doesn't mean not to listen to further developments and adjust your moral judgment accordingly, come what may) but that doesn't mean to indulge yourself and over-justify your ability to judge someone you've never had an interaction with based on vibes alone, that's a pretty unhealthy pattern to fall into in my opinion that has negative effects long term that don't benefit anybody.
Every pitchfork mob situation is about ego stroking ultimately. It''s outgrouping, them vs us. And people with prejudices find it just so perfect to spew their bullshit and get some validation. It's why racists love yellow media.
I don't know the truth in this situation and for all I know this guy (and his entire crew for that matter) could be horrible people. But to base that off of prejudice is childish, and I'm sad that it's infecting beehaw.
As I said, I have no super powers of observation and that everyone is born with good instincts on this. It's taught in classes on protecting yourself from predators: believe your instincts.
I counter your argument with this: some people get heavily invested in internet celebs and in order to protect their own egos will gaslight themselves in to believing "nah, he's a good guy".
You're not wrong that people will tie their sense of self up with internet celebrities and refrain from criticizing them accordingly but that doesn't mean that instincts for someone whom you have ever met justify showing up to vindicate yourself in a thread like this. If you were a victim in a position like this, do you think seeing people say "oh I always knew he was bad" makes you feel any better for putting your faith in someone like this? Do you think that Linus, if he were innocent (not saying he is or isn't I'm using it to illustrate a hypothetical) wants to see people saying they always thought he was a horrible person if this all shakes out in a way that absolves him of Madison's abuse with LMG? Who does it benefit to say that you always knew someone was bad?
Trust your instincts, absolutely. You don't need to engage with someone if you don't think they're good people. But saying "I KNEW" implies you had perfect information, it implies that you're smarter than dozens of other people about how a situation like this would eventually resolve. That doesn't benefit anybody, it's better and more productive to go to the victims, support them, listen to them, and let them speak their piece because ultimately situations like this have to be about them, not about you and how you got a bad vibe from someone on a YouTube video or a Livestream or a few tweets.
You keep making this about ego or me trying to "sound smart" and it's utterly exhausting because I'm trying to encourage others, not prop up myself. It's simply not about my ego or self-esteem (no matter how badly you want that straw man to stand up). My entire point is that people should trust their instincts more than they do. And no, I'm not absolving him of any crimes by doing this (that's more straw man).
Since you insist on projection, I'm going to indulge in some here. It sounds like you just want to engage in a virtue competition here, and you're reading a lot of consequences and implications into what I said that, in my view, are simply not there. It's not that I think everything you're saying is wrong. It's not. It's just so twisted out of context and I have to ask myself why. Is Pixel arguing in bad faith in order to do what Pixel is accusing me of? Which is to look smart (or virtuous) on the internet? I don't know, but the optics are pretty bad at this point.
I want to be clear I'm not blaming you specifically here, or I'm not trying to paint you as a bad actor intentionally. I'm saying that this trend of behavior is common around drama discourse, and I think it's to the detriment of the situation overall. You're free to act as you please, you're free to think I'm virtue signaling, that's fine and I'm not going to push on that. I'm just trying to use this as an illustration of something that I, as my own individual person, see as an issue surrounding this type of discourse and I wanted to make a point about it accordingly
Evidence is better than instinct, no argument there. But you don't always have access to evidence, and ignoring your instincts to jump on a fan bandwagon is ill advised.
I reject the framing of "ignoring your instincts" and "jumping on a fan bandwagon" as a dichotomy. You have the option to just do... neither of those things. Admit the limits of your own knowledge and avoid taking too strong a stance either way.