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Are you also an abolitionist? How do you see abolition and socialism related to another? (slrpnk.net)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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For me, it's pretty clear that police and prisons reinforce class society and are things that factor into proletarianization. Therefore there can be no socialism without abolition. A corollary states that socialist projects that reinstituted police and prisons (gulags and checka anyone?) couldn't be socialist because by using police and prisons it reinforced proletarianization and class relations.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn't sound right. The abolitionists I follow absolutely do want to abolish not just policing and incarceration but everything that stands in the way of true safety and what causes people to commit crimes. These include cisheteropatriarchy, settler-colonialism, racism, capitalism, heck many even want to abolish the state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Who are the abolitionists you follow? By using the word "follow" I'm guessing you're talking about highly visible or well-known abolitionists, but correct me if I'm wrong.