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*A Southern California business owner was shot and killed Friday by a man who objected to an LGBTQ+ Pride flag displayed at her clothing store, officials said.

San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies responded to the Mag.Pi clothing store in Cedar Glen, Calif., at around 5 p.m. local time for reports of a shooting.

Deputies discovered the victim, 66-year-old Laura Ann Carleton, suffering from a gunshot wound. Carleton was pronounced dead at the scene, the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department said in a news release.

The suspect, who was not identified by officials, fled the scene on foot.

According to deputies, the man made "several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag" that stood outside Carleton's store before ultimately shooting her.*

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can't believe how unwilling people are to admit that ------ianity is complicit in all these crimes.

Obviously, this is what Jesus wanted. "I come to bring a sword" and all that.

You'd think that decent people would realize that it's time to set the hateful fairy tales aside and actually do the work of being decent humans, but no.

[–] Cethin 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not Christian and not defending organized religion in any way, but most of the stuff Jesus supposedly said was peaceful and about accepting people no matter who they are. It was just twisted over the years to be something other than that. The believable stuff about Jesus makes me assume he would be accepting (maybe not like it, but accepting of it) of LGBTQ+ people. Old testament shit is a whole other thing though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

most of the stuff Jesus supposedly said was peaceful and about accepting people no matter who they are.

This is a recent reinterpretation of Jesus.

He had plenty to say about who he was going to punish, the extent and type of pain he was going to inflict, etc.

Traditionally, it was Mary who was the softie.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you have sources? Because the canonical New Testament says otherwise. If anything, violent Jesus is the new thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think a lot of Christians misunderstand hell and damnation, probably because of the imagery used in the Bible. The important thing to take away is that it's a state of guilt and regret (i.e. internal torment), not one of active punishment (external torment). But then we have depictions, such as Dante's Divine Comedy, where there are devils and fire and whips and whatnot going on to actively torture and punish sinners.

But that's not the real problem, the problem is religious leaders stirring people up and preying on their fear to encourage devotion.

So I don't think it's the fault of religions themselves, but the various leaders that rile people up. Just like I rarely blame political ideologies, but instead the leaders that twist them for their own purposes. There are certainly genuinely evil ideologies and perhaps religions, but the problem is with how people use them, not the ideologies themselves. For example, Buddhism is widely recognized as being a peaceful religion, yet it has been used to justify violence despite violence being expressly against its tenets.

So my contention isn't with religion or any given ideology (with a few exceptions), it's worth extremists.

[–] Cethin 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a difference between judging people in life and them being judged in death.

Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

According to Jesus, we'll all be judged, but it is to be done by God, not by us. If we deserve salvation, fine. If we deserve damnation, OK. However, people living on earth should not be putting their judgements on others.