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The USA was attempting to destroy the USSR from day one. Despite being an extremely intelligent and educated person, you were never told that the USA actually invaded Russia within months of the October Revolution. Liberals are such a fucking joke.
“The USSR destroyed itself.” Give me a break. The USA’s entire existence derives from stealing land from indigenous people and enslaving and exterminating them. Because the USSR dared to declare that it was an anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, and anti-capitalist project, the USA dedicated everything to its annihilation. But thankfully the story isn’t over. China never broke with Stalin.
My guy, China is the least socialist place on earth. It is so capitalist and so unequal. You pay to use the roads, you pay to use the hospitals, you pay for any schooling past middle school, if you don't have a city residence permit your pension is 5% of those that do.
Have you ever been?
Capitalism is when you pay for things, and the more you pay for things, the more capitalister it is. When atoms exchange valence electrons, for example, that’s capitalism right there. Entrepreneurship has been woven into the fabric of reality since God, the great investor in the sky, created it.
What’s funny is that the US ruling class doesn’t pay for anything—they’re so rich and powerful specifically because they’re stealing from everyone else (including you)—yet nobody would argue that the US isn’t a capitalist hellhole in terminal decline.
I have to wonder—if China isn’t a socialist country, why is every student there compelled to study Marxism? Isn’t it extremely dangerous for a country masquerading as socialist to expose every single student under its sovereignty to Marxist texts?
If socialism isn't from each according to his means to each according to his needs then what the fuck is it?
The quote is “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs,” Mr. Marxism expert.
Was capitalism built in a day? Do you think that Xi can just press the communism button and make everything instantly perfect everywhere? That’s not how it works. China is currently doing the USSR’s (and Stalin’s) NEP, but they’re doing it so much harder than Stalin ever did. They are literally hanging the capitalists with the rope the capitalists are selling them. Once the forces of production are built up to a point where everyone’s necessities are met—and once the USA is no longer in existence—it will become possible for the world to move forward into the next stage of history.
Also I like how you didn’t answer the question about Marxism being taught to Chinese students. Because there is no answer. Because you are wrong 😉
I was taught the tenets of Buddhism in my nationally-required Religious education lessons. Does that make me a Buddhist? Does that make my nation a Buddhist one?
There, your question is answered.
China has been peddling the same excuse about needing to get their economy up to a certain point before they can fully embrace communism since the Great Step Forward.
Meanwhile, there are 969 billionaires in China, it is the home of sweatshops and workers aren't legally allowed to strike.
Soshulizm
Oh noes, China has billionaires! I wonder if they are doing anything about them...
I was taught Catholicism from preschool up to highschool. Hell I'm no longer catholic, but the institution and the state that it serves is principally catholic because it pushes this "education" unto the general public.
Same goes for China, due to it propping Marxism and Marxist education in it's institutions because of it being a Marxist state. If it were capitalist and owned by capitalists, it would take the path of the US and spread anti-communism within it's population.
Maybe? Which country is this? You were also taught Buddhism because it is harmless to capitalism (with rare exceptions such as the monk who torched himself during the Vietnam War to protest American imperialism).
Tell me, if China embraced your version of communism (whatever the fuck it even is) right now, what would happen? Do you think that it might be better to wait until things are generally better (i.e. no USA waiting for any excuse to launch the nukes) before doing this?
Where would you rather be a billionaire? China, or the USA? Why does Elon Musk never criticize China, yet he constantly criticizes the American government?
UK.
Oh, it would be way worse, because communism is always way worse.
I think it would still be terrible even if there were no USA. If there were no USA, whatever brought them down would have collapsed the entire world's economy and there would be thousands of nukes lying around.
I'd rather be a billionaire in the US because my English is better than my Mandarin. Quality of life would be exactly the same at that income bracket wherever you live in the world. Labor protection would be weaker in China though, if I were looking to exploit my workers...
My man (sorry to misgender you but you have no pronouns displayed), the state religion in the UK is anticommunism, and you seem to have swallowed this religion wholeheartedly, even as the USA reduces your country to the state of a glorified colony / TERF-laden aircraft carrier. Enjoy experiencing the other side of imperialism I suppose. I hope this winter doesn’t get too cold?
Then I’m glad we’ve established that it’s better to be a billionaire outside of China, because China is a workers’ state that regularly executes billionaires. Losing ideological battles online is but a prelude to losing them in the real world 😉
Corrupt politicians purging enemies is not the win you think it is there, chief.
Which country are we talking about?
There's still a lot of people that came of age in the USSR. They're very interesting to talk to. Often, their experience doesn't match the American anticommunist rhetoric.
Let's try number of billionaires per capita instead of a flat number of billionaires.
Capitalism is when exchange.
In exchange for such a shit statement I could give a slap on the face and that would count as capitalism in your book.
If your idea of socialism is homeless people dying in the streets and people stepping over children because taking them to hospital lumbers you with their medical bills then, sure, China is as socialist as they come.
Why are you explaining me my home town and calling it China?
Also, how about we get a source on these claims?
I can't believe you forgot about this, but here we go
Socialist china has a higher homeless rate than capitalist hell-hole USA
Oh my god a horrific accident is being used as an example for all of China being a fucking hell hole.
The most populous country on earth cannot have horrible accidents happen, and if they happen then hell on earth.
My guy just because I've heard of a notrious Rączka from Wrocław doesn't mean that suddenly of all Poland is full of sickly people nor does it say anything about us as a whole country. And we are not even the size of China.
Also:
Good one. lmao
Actually talk to people from China sometime. For weeks all wechat was was people saying "yeah, it sucks, but I'd do the same"
China was so much better when it was run by the imperialists and their running dogs 🥰. People alive there remember living in mud huts and starving; now their country is building a space station and almost entirely responsible for all the poverty reduction worldwide that’s happened in the last few decades. And isn’t the case basically the opposite for the UK? You guys used to be powerful but will soon be living in mud huts under the glorious aegis of Joe Biden?
Yeah, it was a real cultural revolution for China. A great leap forward even.
The great leap forward was bad. I know this because the Nazis in the CIA have told me so 🤓
I know it because my mother lived through it. But go off, I guess, comrade.
Was she a running dog of the bourgeoisie like yourself? A terrible tragedy that she lost her slave plantation to the evil communists.
The only people that praise communism are those that never lived through it.
I love how you didn’t deny it when I claimed that the evil gommunists were bad for taking away your mom’s slave plantation. If communism is so bad, why do 95% of people in China approve of the government, according to American pollsters?
I didn't dignify the juvenile barb with a response. Take it how you like.
The same reason 99.999% (there's a 0.001% margin of error) of North Koreans love the Kims.
A combination of patriotism, indoctrination and fear. Talk to Chinese people sometime. In person, not on WeChat.
On a racial, genetic level they are just too fucking stupid to understand that it would be better if the USA transformed China into Iraq, I agree.
Whatever, kid.
Do you really think that the USA has benevolent intentions for the Chinese people? That the USA is legitimately concerned about their rights? That it wants to do anything other than transform China into Libya?
The US doesn't care about the Chinese people. There's no malice, there's no ill intention, they just don't care beyond the vague 'hope they find democracy someday' schtick. This whole geopolitical shadow war you worry about only exists in your adolescent head and the heads of your equally juvenile comrades.
Go outside and try to be a contributing member of society. Maybe even meet a girl. Or a guy, if that's your thing.
I've spent six months in Guangzhou and three in Qingdao.
Because I spent six months in Guangzhou and three in Qingdao.
This is an outdated trope from a defect in their liability laws that are mostly fixed.