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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's absolutely not how criminals make choices, and you're parroting the same line of shit people spew when they say we should arm teachers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, I think it's pretty different.

Whether there is justification for gun ownership for "self-defense" or not, it is entirely different for someone who has a reasonable risk of being targeted for violence to have a gun than for teachers to have a gun in crowded schools with the expectation they might kill a school shooter.

To point specifically the biggest differences:

  1. Crowded school filled with terrified children vs someone's home or small business
  2. Self-defense against single-target hate crimes vs policing against a terrorist incident
  3. Voluntary self-defense which still allows for skill and responsibility requirements vs ~~mandating ~~arming people who might not even be comfortable armed (and might feel pressured)

EDIT: I have crossed out "mandating" because I was informed there are no current bills trying to mandate arming schools. I believe my point stands without it. If someone has a reference of a mandate, I will un-cross-out it if I see it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

I am yet to see a single proposal to mandate that any teachers be armed against their will. Every single proposal is simply to set up a permitting and training program for any teacher that desires to. It's very similar to the program to arm airline pilots that want to, except they become deputized federal agents and are provided the gun, ammo and training free of cost. A shootout in a plane is also far riskier than one in an open classroom.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It absolutely is how criminals make choices, they prey on those that are weaker based on their assumed advantage. Arming teachers is also the best way to stop school shootings that are actively occurring. Armed minorities are harder to oppress and mass shooters select gun free zones for a reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I never said it would prevent every single crime, criminals are generally dumb and some try really dumb shit. A lot of the time when they do so they end up dead fairly quickly. A successful armed robbery of a gun store during business hours is extremely rare. When it comes to risk vs reward they are super attractive targets, but only the most desperate and stupid of criminals actually attempt it.