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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Don't just wait passively for it, take action. Everyone can contribute and together we will achieve big things. If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dont use plastic straws, drive public transport or bike, buy bio food, donate to orgs, glue yourself to the street

and maybe... just maybe... you will change fuck all

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Plastic straws have almost zero to none impact on climate change. It is one of the biggest virtue signaling campaings that managed to scam shit ton of gullible people. Climate change is a never ending process, those who can alter the process have way bigger means to affect it than you and me. Regulate the companies, end the "too big to fail" market monopoly, tax the shit out of billioners. Dont fall to their diversion strategy that we are to blame for any of this shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how McDonald's went from paper cups/plastic straws to plastic cups/paper straws in my area.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Mine stopped using straws for a bit and gave a special lid that made it easier to sip your soda. That didn't last long, we are now back to plastic cups and plastic straws.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not only did it do fuck all to help, it was also really annoying.

Likely on purpose to make people not want to help the environment at all if it means having soggy paper in your drinks.

The paper straws couldn't even be recycled.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not defending paper straws specifically but recycling is a scam. Anything common household material that is not plastic is inherently better than plastic from an environmental standpoint.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They're compostable/biodegradable. I think the point was to reduce the affect of litter. Some municipalities give you an organic bin that's collected, composted, then sold.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wasn't about climate change, it was about plastic waste giving turtles straws up their nostrils.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

And they still eat floating plastic that they mistake for jellyfish.

No the straw thing was about a cute kid making a science fair project about "The Dangers of Straws!" With all the thought an elementary school student could offer to the conversation that was latched onto by the media to fill a time slot and get more media buzz.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

... did everyone misread your comment or am I crazy? I have faith that we can make horrible climate change a reality if we just put our minds to it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nuclear Posadism is so Cold War. We need a new apocalyptic accelerationism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Apocalyptic accelerationism from home. Learn these 5 easy steps how YOU! can increase your contribution to annihilation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Some sure did, but I don't mind it :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some only read the first part, some appreciated the dark humor.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean we kinda can't unless we convince billionaires to making money.

That seems to me the crux of the issue.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Veganism is the movement which has the highest potential to change society and is a huge impact on the environment. (IPCC: biggest single step one can take / even without fossile fuels our current food system will still contribute with +2°C to global warming)

And it does not take away from any other activity we should pursue in the fight for climate, while ending support for some billionaires like Wesley Batista

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So long as we're pushing for systemic change - we don't dig ourselves out of this by "just taking personal responsibility" harder.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (21 children)

TBF, I can't argue with that, but when we look at where the issue lays, it's clear which we should prioritise. Just talking personal responsibility harder also doesn't do much about the rest of your country, let alone the world.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If we all work together the collapse is not just a dream.

Hoping to speed up the collapse I see lol.

I drive a hybrid.

I recycle everything I can.

I pickup litter.

I try to be as power efficient as possible.

I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat everyday.

Plus, I post memes that stimulate conversation like this!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am vegan since 5 years, before I was (don't judge me, or do- its deserved) 10 years vegetarian. Since ~15 years? PV on my roof which feed into the grid many times more power than I used I rarely travel, not one flight. I advocate and work towards a sustainable future. Demonstrations and some political work. Go on, check my my posts and judge for yourself if I was maybe sarcastic?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I just assumed you were joking. Good job on all you do!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Speak concretely. What actions would you like them to take, and how will they help?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Burn a barrel of oil in your backyard. Run the AC with the doors and windows open. Buy a heavy truck and take a cross-country joyride.

Before you downvote me, reread the comment two back in this chain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Just... y'know, take action.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Buy less, travel less, demand wfh.

No political will promote slowing the economy down even though that's the simplest, most straightforward way to slow our pollution output. Our stockmarket and retirement plans are based on infinite growth, which is unfeasible even without climate change being a factor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People say that but it would help if they mention things to actually do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Went vegan. Got 35 solar cells. Replaced lawn with native plants. Work from home. Spending a lot of time advocating online and to friends and family. Raising kids as environmentalists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And you and kids are still gonna die from the effects of climate change and the collapse of society because a handful of billionaires and corporations only care about making more money next quarter in spite of every single other human being on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And also because of the billions of individuals such as yourself that decided it was hopeless.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Going vegan is according to the IPCC the single biggest step a individual can take. This does not take anything away from other actions we can simultaneous pursue. Veganism is growing and has despite being a small percentage of the population the potential for a change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it'd probably be a lot more convincing if my experience with vegans outside the past year or so weren't composed entirely of people pushing it on the basis of "killing animals is wrong."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Its a multitude of reasons for people to go vegan: The animals, their own health, the probability of not creating a living hell on earth. The reason why vegans try to convince others is often because after a few years most are so disconnected from the killing of others for taste where it is a giant argument. The suffering and abuse of 90 billion sentient land animals per year alone is for most good enough to stop supporting it. I have surrendered that argument for most discussions because it is hard to have that empathy while it is a part in your live. It wasn't for me, although is was not challenged in that view back then. So now my arguments moved more towards egoism which sometimes works.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What I notice is a lot of petrochemical companies, conglomerates, politicians and attorneys. And Facebook.Our best bet would be to steer clear of those, or at least as much as possible.

I have personally switched to a cleaner car (no electric since I cannot yet afford them), walk and cycle more often, no longer buy Unilever or Nestle products (though that's more of a moral reason) and am even stricter with my energy consumption. I try to use most of my belongings as long as possible (unless they consume a lot of power) and try to repair everything until it is so broken and worn out that I have to replace it. Which I will replace it with something of a good quality that will last many years and preferably made locally, always trying to prevent buying from Chinese companies. My landlord (it's a company but I can't think of the word for it) has installed solar panels on my home 4 years ago and I am using LED lights and have replaced all CRT tv's/monitors with LCD. Built newer computers with lower energy CPU's. Lights that are frequently used have been put on a timer or sensor so they are automatically switched off. Other lights are turned off when leaving the room. I have switched to an electrical stove to prevent the need for fracking gas and earthquakes caused by natural gas pumping. Oh and my gardens mostly consist of grass and plants.

I think that's about it.