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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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I feel like this not really the only difference between slaves and relying on wage labor to survive. Comparing wage labor under capitalism with slavery seems really inconsiderate to me because slavery in many places was not just forced labor.
The article here complains about young men gaming more so they work less and somehow this gets compared to slavery. Sorry but WTF
That's why I said functionally. Like yeah I know I'm nowhere near enduring what actual historic slaves did.
I'm simply breaking it down to "forced to work without consent" and you could argue that I have the ability to not consent and therefore not work.
But wouldn't ya know it food water and housing all cost money! And wouldn't ya know it the people that sell these things are the same people that sign my paychecks!
I have to work for the money just so I can give that money right back to my employer. When slavery was first abolished in America slave owners created sharecropping. Where you're still functionally a slave but technically you're not you just have to keep working in order to afford enough money to pay for the "housing" they provide. You have to eat but they deduct every bite taken out of your pay.
This is what is happening to a large number of people in modern day America the only difference is you have the illusion of choice between employers. Even though most of those employers will do practice the exact same policies.
This is all coming from someone who's poor af who lives paycheck to paycheck because prices keep going up while my wage stays the same causing me to not have any real life outside of work because I can't afford more than 2 days off a week.
I am functionally a slave. I'm a well treated slave but still a slave.
Somehow you are only focusing on slavery as tool to exploit bodies for work and not also as a tool of white supremacy and the connection between both. And that is in my opinion a large part why the comparison just feels so inconsiderate to me.
Yeah but you forget that the same systems that bolster white supremacy also works against poor white people.
So me.
Plus I'm talking about slavery in general not just "black people bad" slavery. Slavery without racism I should say