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This thread is an amusing display of sample bias. Only people that want to respond yes and brag about it bothering to respond.
In reality only about 2/3rds of people in the US can drive stick and almost no one owns manual cars.
I've never driven a manual car. I've had people be like "You can't drive manual?!" and then I would respond "So are you going to teach me?" The answer is always No, of course not, not in their car (assuming they even owned a manual, which none do anymore). My parents had manual cars but sold them 10+ years before having me.
I understand how a clutch works. It wouldn't be difficult to learn. But what reason or motivation is there to learn when almost no cars are manual? They total something like 2% of new car sales. If you're buying something like a 718 GT4 RS or a 911 GT3 RS for maximum driving engagement that's great, but those cars are priced for the 1% of the 1%.
Even if you had a fun car, which I do, the drive to work is stop-and-go, roads are full, even the fun country backroads are filled with traffic on weekends, forests are burned down, gas is eye-watteringly expensive if you have a slightly performant vehicle. The time to have fun driving cars was 40 years ago.
While I have noticed that Americans do like to brag about driving manual, it should be noted that outside the US being able to drive manual isn't bragworthy in the slightest. You're just part of 99% of drivers. From boy racers to grandma.
Hell, my driving school even taught a guy with down's syndrome to drive manual. It took longer, but he passed all the tests, so off he went. Apparently it wasn't even a close thing, and the driving test is quite stringent here in the EU. There's no need to make fun of people with down's syndrome, but if they can manage to drive manual with practice anyone without a disability can too.
It's not difficult. It just takes practice. If your parents drive a manual, which is likely in the EU, you can practice in their car. If your parents have an auto, which is likely in the US, you can't practice shifting gears so why bother?
Agree that fun driving is essentially over, but I don't think automatic cars are as common outside North America.
In Europe ~80% of cars have manual transmission, mainly due to the (in the past) better fuel efficiency.
Modern automatic cars have often slightly better fuel efficiency, but they cost quite a bit more to buy and maintain, and very nearly everyone knows how to drive stick, so people usually don't bother.
Edit: As we stop having fun driving cars, should we finally also say goodbye to race biking, and fun motorcycling, once and for all?
Disagree that fun driving is over. Have you driven a tesla?
There are still fun cars. It's getting incredibily difficult to have fun driving them.
I have not.
Do they somehow make it fun to be queueing at a busy intersection?
Is driving 70km/h behind a truck somehow a blast if you're in a Tesla?
If so I'll make it a priority to try one out ASAP!
Are manuals fun in those instances?
No car is fun in those instances. But that is how we spend the majority of our time on the road.
Hence, "fun driving is over".
I got a manual for a few reasons, but the big one in my mind was fewer moving parts, and something that I can actually maintain myself. I've actually rebuilt a transmission before, and while it's not the easiest thing to do, I already have the tooling required to pull a transmission and disassemble it.
I'm not redlining my 2002 v6 pickup truck so it's not a performance thing. It's just something I like. I like the engagement even if it's a pain in the ass sometimes.
Damn thats some sobering real talk. I don't know how to drive manual, and frankly you make a strong point about how little point there would be to try
How can you brag about being able to drive a manual car? It's a basic life skill that almost everyone has (at least here in Europe). It would be like bragging you're able to tie your shoe laces. My 70 year old mom drives a manual.
It used to be the other way around: since manual is the norm here, the only people who drove an automatic were those with some kind of physical or mental disability. If you drove an automatic people would assume something was wrong with you. Nowadays this stigma no longer exists and manual transmissions are becoming more accepted, but still uncommon outside of EVs.
Is that even allowed? Here you either do your driving test in a manual, in which case you already know how to drive one, or you do your test in an automatic and you aren't allowed to drive a manual. You'd have to take lessons (with a licensed instructor) and do a new driving exam.
Driving an automatic when you're not used to it can also be quite scary as half the controls you need to operate the car are missing. Took me a while to get over the feeling of not being able to stop the car, it feels super weird to just keep the brake pressed until it stops without it stalling.
In the USA licenses are not contingent upon manual vs. automatic. No one checks what car you drive. So you would have to learn somewhere - someone around you has to own a manual car in order for you to learn how to drive one, and here simply no one does. No one in my entire extended family, none of my friends, none of my coworkers I'm friendly with, none of the 50+ cars I have any tangential access to are manual. So even if I wanted to learn, what are my options? Buy an entire car just to learn? Services like Turo won't let you rent one unless you can drive one already.
We have Driver's Education in high school but it involves no actual driving - there are separate paid/private courses you can take that might involve defensive driving or learning stick. I did one on controlling skids on wet or snowy pavement and demonstrating e.g. turning under braking with and without ABS. But nothing about manual.
I would expect the driving school to have a manual. That's how it works here. It doesn't matter what car your family or friends own, you can't take driving lessons in an unmodified car anyway. You need a car with dual controls and a licensed instructor.
why would someone brag about driving manual? it's the standard in most countries.