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Just curious how many of you are cool with this deeply racist image being the header for one of your comms

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sorry, I'm not quite sure how a picture mocking a specific person for something other than race is racist, let alone deeply so.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

when a majority white community mocks a chinese man by comparing his appearance to a yellow bear, it's a little weird

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comparisons were first made in China, actually. The only reason we even know about the comparison is because he got so offended by them, and we keep doing it because he's upset by it. It's more about shape than colour, especially since Xi Jinping tends to wear trousers.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hello Susaga! I'm going to repost a comment I made a few hours ago, in this instance:

"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.

Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.

And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Could you demonstrate that transformation with other examples from here? Other asian people being compared to other yellow characters? Or has it remained specifically one person compared to one character?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are bears a common racist stereotype for asians? I havent seen it

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's specific to Xi Jinping. Chinese memelords started it in ~2013, and the country's censors were so offended by it that the Streisand Effect kicked in.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay putting you down as being okay with it. Got it ty

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm okay with it because it's not racist. What is there in this picture to not be okay with?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What racism? You have yet to explain what's racist about this picture. I am willing to accept that I'm wrong and I'm just not seeing it from the right perspective, but you have to be willing to explain why rather than just condemn.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't see why tinting an Asian person's skin yellow is racist? Would you say the same thing about this?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Alright, I can see that. Not deliberate, as they also tinted his suit red to heighten the comparison to Winnie the Pooh, who also has a yellow face, but I can see your perspective now you've actually given it. Deeply racist is absolutely a stretch, though, but "kinda racist" is absolutely correct.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh well as long as you're absolutely sure the obvious racism wasn't deliberate it's okay

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's not obvious! You posted a picture of a dictator with accidental racist undertones, called it deeply racist, and condemned anyone who didn't agree with your perspective as racist, despite not actually giving your perspective! To most of us, we see "dictator" before we see "asian guy". You're not attacking the picture, you're attacking the people on the same server as the picture. You being so quick to condemn makes it look like you're defending a dictator more than amending injustice, and being so hesitant to explain your reasoning makes you look like a troll more than an activist.

You're a terrible representative of your own argument.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But now that I've given you my perspective, you unequivocally condemn this racism, yes?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I condemn you, actually. Yes, the picture is poorly thought out and needs revision, even though it was designed for reasons other than racism. That's what you should have said. But you didn't want to fix the picture, you wanted to condemn everyone on this site for not condemning the picture.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

What a contemptible piece of shit instance we got federated with this time. Fuck this place. Look at this asshole. Acting all fucking wounded because they weren't coddled during the agonizingly slow process of them finally admitting that putting a world leader representing over a billion people in yellow face MIGHT be SLIGHTLY racist ON ACCIDENT. As if the feelings of the person committing the offense are the most important consideration in explaining their offense to them. The fucking entitlement.

I don't buy your bullshit. It's not only racist, it's deliberately racist and not only that but deep down you fucking know it as well. Just ask yourself: what's the fucking point of the caricature in the first place? To be insulting, right? It's an otherwise beloved childhood character though, isn't it? So why has the west latched onto it so strongly? To mock his appearance, right? It's a yellow fucking cartoon bear. Why are you acting coy about it? It's not about his weight. It's not that he has the facial features of a bear. No one makes pictures depicting him as Yogi or Baloo. It's his race.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well ideally, everyone here would agree this is problematic. But instead a whole bunch of people jumped in to defend it to the death

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They jumped in to defend themselves. That's what happens when you attack them. If you attack the thing and not the people, they don't get so defensive.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one attacked anyone. OP asked how many of you were cool with this image. All you have to do is say "actually no, that image is fucked up" and suddenly you're not under attack. In order to interpret this post as anything remotely similar to an attack on your character, you have to first decide that you're cool with racism.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Interesting that people here are interpreting an attack on racism as an attack on them personally. Wonder why that is

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn't attack racism. You attacked people because there was racism nearby. Anyone who asked for an explanation was then called racist. You attacked people personally.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm sure you're going to go now and make sure that there is no longer any racism around you to confuse people

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We accept that this image can be interpreted as racist, if one is unaware of the origin and original meaning of said image.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Gotcha. Another for pro-racism. Man, y'all love this stuff over here

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

See, this is why I condemn you.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to find it much easier to condemn me than racism

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, you're much more present here than the racism.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Fascist troll pretending to be a leftist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

We don't love racism, we just hate you :) go have a nice life literally anywhere else.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Don't waste your breathe with these tankies man

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s a reach lolol. Did Pooh Bear put you up to this? Promise a bump on your social credit score if you’d go online and say anyone that calls Xi Winnie the Pooh is racist?

It’s not yellow because he’s Asian you raging edgelord, it’s cause he’s Pooh Bear, and Winnie the Pooh is yellow.

Go back to licking your authoritarian, human rights abusing quasi-dictator’s boots ya fop.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And Xi Jinping, a Chinese man, is not. Perhaps this will help you understand the issue

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

No? Youre just concern trolling? You knew this was never about racism?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Are you gonna respond to anyone pointing out the obvious reason hes depicted as winnie the pooh? And why no other asian person is?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

In what way is it racist? Is there a particular ethnicity which is commonly depicted as Winnie the Poo?