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Will I be banned? Looking to migrate from Reddit, but only if free speech is paramount. (kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Looking to see if I am welcom on kbin to express the viewpoint that it is not possible to be "trans."

I assert that it is not possible to transition and that gender is the same as sex.

Is this an acceptable viewpoint on kbin, or will I be banned for expressing this?

Not looking to start a fight, just want to know if such speech is tolerated here.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me preface this by saying that I disagree with your viewpoint in its entirety, and that I am not an admin nor an instance moderator on Kbin.

Here's the thing. If your intention is to come into Kbin, or Lemmy, or any other space here, and start spouting your viewpoint anywhere and everywhere - for example, in Pro-Trans spaces, or in spaces that have nothing to do with gender, you can expect some heavy pushback, including (likely) removal from those spaces. If your intention is to come in here and find or create a community that is conducive to posting about your viewpoint, you probably won't really have much trouble.

You sound like someone who is looking to make trouble, though, which is the only reason I can see for you to have posted this in this particular manner. If that's your intention, I think I can safely say, on behalf of the Lemmy / Kbin community, fuck right off. There's plenty of Lemmy instances that you can join that won't kick you out for this viewpoint, so probably go find one of those.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You say that there are plenty of instances, can you point me in the right direction?

Like I said, I'm not looking for a fight. I'm also not looking at making 1,000 posts on all manner of topics only to find myself banned from the entire server because of post number 1,001 which says that it is not logically possible to both male and a woman. This is my genuinely held belief, and I don't think the opposing viewpoint is so beyond reproach that my opposition isn't even worth engaging. This is the problem that I had on Reddit - pro-trans people would come into conservative subreddits and report dozens of people for hate-speech, which would result in a site-wide bans, rather than a subreddit bans. A sub-ban is one thing, but a site-wide ban is something totally different.

I'm just looking to avoid getting established on an instance that will ban me because I write down that, "Bruce Jenner isn't a woman," for example.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You say that there are plenty of instances, can you point me in the right direction?

No, I can't, because the instance I'm a member of is very pro-trans, and we tend not to federate with instances that make the opposing viewpoint as large a part of their discourse as you seem to want to.

If you simply can't find a conservatively aligned instance to join, though, the beauty of the Fediverse is that you can create one. Create an instance that caters to the crowd you want to associate with. Let them come to you, then nobody can ban you for your views. (You will likely face defederation from a number of other instances, though, so be aware of that possibility.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the level headed response. Everyone deserves their own space to share opinions, even if you and me don't like them. That's what Lemmy and kbin are ultimately far better at than Reddit and similar.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with you that it's important for everyone to have a space to share their opinions, if only so that they will congregate in those spaces and stay out of our spaces. The 'Nazi Bar' story came immediately to mind when I saw this post (originally posted on Twitter by @iamragesparkle):

I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

I don't want to drink in a Nazi bar, and I assume you don't want to drink in a Nazi bar, but it's still important for the Nazi bar to exist somewhere, so the Nazis have somewhere to go that isn't here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You may have the best luck starting with instances that are widely defederated. Insisting that trans experience is invalid is not considered acceptable in most communities, and instances that accept it are generally siloed.

I sincerely recommend listening to a trans person speak about their experience though. The best way to avoid getting removed from places for hate speech is to stop hating people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hey, let me know what instance you settle on so I can block it. Not trying to start a fight or anything, I believe you should have a voice. I just don't want to hear it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I did research and found an instance with rules and moderation and federation philosophies that aligned with my viewpoints. I am fully confident in your ability to do that same work for yourself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'm not confident in OP's ability to do that. They clearly struggle with their own research or they wouldn't be in this mess

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not looking to fight

And yet you again post something so offensive and factually wrong:

it is not logically possible to both male and a woman

If you were a facts and logic person you'd at minimum acknowledge that sex and gender are not one and the same (hint: they aren't the same word and are not synonyms), and that gender exists on a spectrum as does sex. These are the facts, your assertions are not.