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It was only a matter of time before an irate tradie threw hands at them.

We don't get paid to sit in traffic.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is also ignoring the fact that diesel rail isn’t that much better than road transport, and can even be worse.

Huh? I mean sure, we should electrify all our rail. But moving hundreds of people in one diesel train produces way less emissions than hundreds of cars.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, indeed, diesel trains emit lower emissions when more than 1/3 full. See also #10 here

And, diesel is not the final solution, but it's a first step. If the protesters would ask for 100% electrified rail it would be shut down as well by opponents that it's too hard. So I think it's a very good option to switch to diesel rail for now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're comparing private to public transport though, while ignoring another public alternative that is already operating.

I don't get why people are so snobby about buses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buses are less comfortable than cars, and are probably also slower than a car.

Trains are more comfortable and can be faster than driving.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're also far more affordable though. Rail is expensive.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm comparing other public transport options, namely road based PT.

Comparing a train to a car is kinda comparing apples to nectarines.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Bus is always going to be limited to whatever the road network can support, and face problems like traffic.

Rail can be improved way above what it is in NZ currently. It could be much faster than taking a car, as it is in many parts of the world. e.g. see: https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/regional-rapid-rail/