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Hey, I just did a quick browse through the blocked instances list for infosec.pub and have a few questions about it. Seems like we are blocking sh.itjust.works which at first glance just looks like one of the bigger general purpose instances. Meanwhile more overtly problematic instances like lemmygrad (tankie instance) or exploding heads ("free speech extremists") are federated with. Generally the block list seems fairly small compared to a lot of other instances.

So are these intentional choices or is it more a matter of the admins not (having the time to be) bothering with it? If it's not intentional, maybe checking some other instances blocklists to weed out the biggest trolls/offenders could be useful.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I don't know how you can say that given that less than 100 years ago in all of the Western world (save maybe France). Bigotry was the default governmental, societal and scientific position. And opposition to it was seen as distasteful as bigotry is today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I don't understand what point you think you are making here. Me saying bigotry can be objectively indentified and is objectvely bad (although I didn't even argue for the latter part yet) isn't invalidated by pointing out society used to think (what we today identify as) bigotry was good. Because past people thinking X was good might just have been a subjective judgement, unless you can provide the reasoning people used to argue for X being good and it objectively holds up. And people subjectively deciding X is good, has asolutely zero bearing on whether X is objectively good or not. People mistakenly thinking the Earth is flat doesn't mean that we can't objectively determine that it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Bigotry is inherently a thing whose definition changes over time based on the society/person making the decision. As opposed to the flatness or roundness of the earth.

You in 1923, 2023 and 2123 will all decide with the same set of facts that the earth is not flat. That's objectivity.

You in 1923, 2023 and 2123 will all have different decisions on what is and is not bigotry given the same set of facts. That's subjectivity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@mwguy @fr0g Now, many apply the term bigot to anyone who makes moral judgments concerning behavior that are different than the moral judgments they make. In that context the term is entirely subjective. It's no more than name-calling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh yes the colloquial usage of the term is even more subjective than @[email protected] usage of it. The amphibious one at least attempts to provide a rubric for the definition of bigotry.

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