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Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

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Can we prevent cars from sending data to servers if we remove their antennae? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don't know anything about cars.

Now that we have established that cars seriously undermine our privacy (look at the flurry of posts in this community in the last few hours), what can we do about it?

From a networking POV, if you remove the ability to connect to the Internet, it doesn't matter what the car is recording as long as you can ensure there is no physical tampering. Depending on who you are, this is a good idea, and doable for the most part (very few people have the technical knowledge to pull out the right chip from a car).

So, how do we achieve this? I implore the community to invite mechanical/car engineers who can help us on this matter, and to form methods to prevent vehicles from accessing the Internet without express consent from the user.

Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Waste everyone's time because they are the ones doing this to you

I agree with your intentions, but no, the person working at the car dealership is not doing this to you. That person is just trying to get by, they're not the MBA executive trying to squeeze every dollar out of humanity who you should be targeting

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe not, but they are the one who keeps leaving me alone in their office for 15 minutes at a time to “go ask their manager” if our negotiations are ok and they are the one who pretends to settle on a price with me and then tries to hard-sell me on all sorts of useless addons. And at they end of the day they are the one that turns making a purchase into a 4-hour process.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has to irritate the GM of the dealership enough to file a report and work its way up the chain to the top. Unfortunately this is capitalism. It is no different than the military in that it sucks to be the person at the bottom of the shit pile but they work for criminals. If they don't like it, quit working for criminals. Yes it is pervasive. But we are the problem. We are funding and enabling these people. You must make it extremely well known that you have money and you are not spending it because of this bullshit. No one else controls the market. We fund the entire thing with what we are willing to ignore and make excuses for. We must burn it to the ground too. That means stop being nice about the person working for the thief. Sorry; not sorry.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It has to irritate the GM of the dealership enough to file a report and work its way up the chain to the top.

I think you think the manager of a dealership is going to care a lot more than you think they will. More likely they're going to just ask you to leave after you start acting like a dick to their staff.

You must make it extremely well known that you have money and you are not spending it because of this bullshit.

By causing a scene you are going to affect no change, more likely you'll end up being mocked on Tik Tok. Write a letter to corporate explaining your decisions, sure, or petition for state or federal legislation; otherwise spend your money elsewhere. Only by funding alternatives are you going to impact the market outside of regulation

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I didn't say cause a scene. I spent nearly a decade painting cars for dealers. I have had close dealings with used car managers and general managers more than most people. Yes, any possible excuse about cars not selling over this kind of issue will be a leverage point that they will use when it comes to inventory. Just one sale lost over this will end up getting documented at most large dealers. All you need to do is read the document and say you are not okay with it and walk out because of it. No drama needed. This is intelligent. Signing your privacy away blindly is the only idiotic choice here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I hope this is true, as I'm going to test that water soon. I'll not purchase, and I'll let them know why.