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Why I'm not getting a Fairphone* (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A couple hours before I was on the edge of getting a Fairphone 5 but I read the specifications and didn't see 3.5 mm audio jack anywhere. So I thought to myself...why? The community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not. They're already making money on the phone, they're really pushing for people to get their wireless headphones? Just add the headphone jack, shouldn't be too hard.

They said they're treating their workers fairly, sourcing from ethical sources, renewable claims, repairability claims, and supporting foss projects (they donated a fp4 to CalyxOS to support development). All of these are amazing, so adding a little headphone jack shouldn't be that hard in the grand scheme of all this.

*Add the headphone jack and I'll be happy to support and get a fp5.

https://calyxos.org/news/2022/02/25/device-support/

https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You keep making the same point

You made a claim that I wrote something I didn't write, do you expect me to just let you put words into my mouth?

You have a different standard.

The vast majority of people interested in the fairphone have "a different standard"..

But for me what Apple did was wrong.

Ok, great, you have an opinion. An opinion I can completely understand. What does it have to do with this post though?

Mini jack was not obsolete

It wasn't. But it's not 2017 anymore..

Even you admitted they only did it for profit

Of course they did, why else would they do it, they are a company.

just don't criticize people that do care.

I will criticize whoever I want because it's fucking annoying to have the self-rightous jack defenders pretend martyrers proudly proclaim that they will sacrifice themself and not buy the newest fairphone because "fairphone went against community demands" and act as if they are the majority and represent the views of "the community" IN 2023..

They don't.. Most people in the fairphone community didn't care about the jack back when it was removed.. Most members of the community preferred a slimmer phone to a headphone jack back when the last fairphone was released. And despite of this, you still had some loud-mouths who acted as if their opinions alone represent "the community", ignored all the discussion in the community and claimed that fairphone acted against community interest.

And as "a member of the fairphone community", I didn't say anything, like most who don't care about the jack, because I don't care about the jack, I care about being able to change parts, I care about it lasting for many years and I care about it being small enough to fit in my pocket comfortably.

That was years ago, back when the fairphone decided to do this. And now, the upcoming model doesn't bring it back (to the surprise of virtually nobody) and you have the same wannabe martyrers saying stuff like "just bring it back, how hard can it be, the community demands it".. No, the community doesn't demand it.. The community demands a modular and long lasting phone that is slim and cheap at the same time..

we'll do it as long as we can

Do whatever pointless posturing you want, just don't act as if you are in the majority or represent all of a community when you don't..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Devil's Advocate as I agree with you, but feel this point should be covered:

Why not make a headphone jack module? If the phone is so easy to repair, then it should be pretty modular, so giving a choice (and probably making it one of the most expensive modules because the demand is DEFINITELY not going to be there to make it cheap through numbers) could not hurt and only help the FairPhone, right?

Again, Devil's advocate, I already know a few potential arguments, but I feel like it was a point being ignored that should be covered

[+] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I mean that you’re only point is “you’re not the majority so shut up”.

My only point is "you're not the majority", you don't even need to shut up, you can have whatever opinion you want to have, just don't pretend to represent "the community" when you don't..

Me having a mini jack in the phone doesn’t mean that you, a person that doesn’t care about one, is somehow disadvantaged.

It's an additional port that needs to be included into the design and that needs physical space. And it's another way to get dust and/or fluids into the phone, all without any benefit for me or most users.. You can claim that the impact is minimal, but there still is an unnecessary impact.

You agreed already that Apple didn’t remove the mini jack to make the phone smaller, it was just to make more money.

Everything apple does and other companies do is to make more money, that's pretty much the entire motivation behind anything companies do..

It’s the same 7 years later, people still don’t believe it’s for any other reason than to make a little bit more money.

Of course it is to "make more money", or rather to save money on things that have no measurable benefit for most users..

Ok, so you’re a docile consumer. When company does something you don’t like you just say 'well, I’m in the minority, I will still just buy it without complaining".

No, when a company does something I don't like or that is a dealbreaker for me, I don't buy the product..

It’s just weird you’re so annoyed with people who do complain, especially on lemmy.

People can complain about whatever they want. What is annoying to me is when people say stuff like "the community has been requesting this for a couple years ago now so why not." or "adding a little headphone jack shouldn’t be that hard" when this debate has been settled years ago already..

Linux has ~3% market share. I guess we should just stop complaining when companies don’t support it, majority of people don’t care. Most people don’t care about privacy, they care about cheap and easy products, let’s stop complaining about Google and Meta tracking everyone.

Again, you can complain all you want. But if somebody made a post saying "Google is still using, selling and tracking user data. The community has been requesting that they stop doing that years ago, so why do they still do it? They only do it to make money. Just stop doing it, shouldn't be too hard.", it would in my opinion be a ridiculous and pointless post..