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IMHO, the big problem is that defederating causes a bunch of problems when you’re cutting ties with an instance that is 99.9% good actors.
Sure, you cut out the trolls, but you also totally fuck up the user experience for the vast majority of well intentioned people.
Example, I’m on Lemmy.world, and my wife is on beehaw. We often both comment to a Lemmy.ml community, and neither of us can see each others comments even though Lemmy.ml is neutral ground.
Eh, having read the information provided upfront by beehaw upon joining their instance, I find it unsurprising that they'd block an instance that allows something as discriminatory as the_donald. I'm on a different instance altogether, but I wouldn't be surprised if our server owner is keeping an eye on that situation as well. I know we've already defederated from a few such as lemmygrad, and one of our rules is "No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, or casteism," which is one of the reason I joined this instance in the first place.
There are plenty of instances you can join that allow Republicanism, Stalinism, Maoism, or whichever other extremist communities you want to see. Personally, I'm not looking for another reddit. I want something better than that.
Hear, hear!
For something better than Reddit, manly better mod tools and better mods than on Reddit would be required...
How can she comment on lemmy.ml if beehaw defederated it? I don't quite get what defederation does
Lemmy.ml is different from Lemmy.world.
I would personally join another instance to have access to both lemmy.ml and my wife's comments. Why don't you join lemm.ee for example? It hasn't defederated or been defederated with any big instance.
Yeah this along with having more communities aligned with my interests is why I joined programming.dev. I like beehaw's communities, and lost a good 6-7 communities when they defederated from the other two big ones.
So I moved to a third instance, to get used to this place until I set my own up sometime in the near future.
Yup. I'm also moving between instances. I have multiple accounts. All I do is browse and meme anyway. I don't need a "home address" with a doorbell. Liftoff app is improving it's inbox and currently you can switch very fast between servers' inboxes. The problem is more that I have to make a lot more effort than I would if this weren't happening, and that many people don't even know they aren't "stuck" with their first account.
Yeah, I've been really glad Jerboa has multi account support
Sadly there aren't any other tools to deal with abuse coming from another instance on a large scale. Moderation tools are basically inexistent atm.
I agree with this. I understand WHY they did it but it kinda wrecks the entire experience of federation. I'm really hoping we end up with better mod tools ASAP.
That's garbage